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@joe-beyser said
You forgot to call him a racist too. Speaking of which, where is Duchess? I haven't seen anything lately. I kinda would like to be called a right wing nutjob racist woman hater by dutchess before I get bored and leave the forums here again. Maybe suzianne can do it .
You missed it. D got what looks like a permanent ban.


@eladar said
You missed it. D got what looks like a permanent ban.
I think that her one-track racial baiting got so boring that she was dumped by the marketing people, who love our well-rounded interesting debates, like, why don’t gorillas turn in to people anymore, and , How can you sleep at night when you cash a govt check, the money of which was derived from taxes paid by an itinerant coal miner who works 10 hours a day.


@shavixmir said
The new IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report is out.

Here’s a BBC summary of it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58130705

It’s a pretty dire affaire. Some of the impact is irreversible (meaning it will take centuries to reverse), humans are primarily responsible, average temperatures are rising, average sea-levels are rising and becomi ...[text shortened]... . ) accordingly.

Whether you believe it or not, this is going to have consequences you will feel.
I Hate doing this copy/paste, but, worth the read.

The climate alarmists won’t be having a good day today Bjorn Lomborg’s article will push them over the edge. These charlatans have to be closed down.
(The Australian)
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change just released its latest climate report and reactions from politicians and media pundits could not have been more predictable. Fitting the apocalyptic narrative many have spun lately, the always climate-breathless Guardian summarised this scientific report as finding mankind “guilty as hell” of “climate crimes of humanity”. (Needless to say, the report never says any such things.)
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called the findings a “code red for humanity”, saying we could avert catastrophe only by acting in the next couple of months. Of course, the UN has a long history of claiming catastrophe is right around the corner: The first UN environment director claimed already half a century ago that we had just 10 years left, and the then head of the IPCC insisted in 2007 that we had just five years left.
In contrast to the hyperventilating media, the report is actually serious and sensible (and very, very long). It doesn’t surprise, since it is a summary of already published studies, but it reconfirms that global warming indeed is real and a problem.
But it also highlights how much one-sided thinking takes place in the climate conversation. Since the heat dome in the US and Canada in June, there has been a lot of writing about more heat deaths. And the IPCC confirms that climate change indeed has increased heatwaves. However, the report equally firmly, if virtually unacknowledged, tells us that global warming means “the frequency and intensity of cold extremes have decreased”.
This matters, because globally, many more people die from cold than from heat. A new study in the highly respected journal Lancet shows that about half a million people die from heat, but 4.5 million people die from cold. As temperatures have increased over the past two decades, that has caused an extra 116,000 heat deaths each year. This, of course, fits the narrative and is what we have heard over and again. But it turns out that because global warming has also reduced cold waves, we now see 283,000 fewer cold deaths. You don’t hear this, but so far climate change saves 166,000 lives each year.
Likewise, we have heard a lot about flooding in Germany and elsewhere being caused by climate change. But the new UN report tells us it has “low confidence in the human influence on the changes in high river flows on the global scale” – and low confidence in attributing “changes in the probability or magnitude of flood events”. The report tells us that the evidence isn’t there to say floods are caused or driven by climate change.
t also mentions climate upsides like the fact that more CO2 in the atmosphere has acted as a fertiliser and created a profound global greening of the planet. One NASA study found that over a period of 35 years, climate change has added an area of green equivalent to two times the size of Australia. But don’t expect to read about this in any of the breathless articles on climate impact.
The new UN report only deals with the physical impact of climate change, but, of course, much of what really matters is how humans handle this. Often the real problem of rising sea levels is converted into a catastrophe by arguing that nobody will adapt and everyone will drown or be displaced. Remember when news reports told us rising seas would displace an astonishing 187 million people, potentially drowning entire cities like Miami in 80 years? In reality, humans adapt, as The Netherlands has shown. That’s why many models show that adaptation will reduce the number of flooded people 12,000-fold. As in the past, rising prosperity will continue to reduce flood impacts, and climate change will merely slow down this reduction slightly.
Ultimately, this is why the scare stories on climate impacts are vastly overblown and not supported by this new climate report. One of the clearest ways to see this is through climate economics. Because of economic development, the UN estimates the average person in the world will become 450 per cent as well-off by 2100 as they are today. But climate change will have a cost, in that adaptation and challenges become somewhat harder. Because of climate change, the average person in 2100 will be “only” 436 per cent as well off as today. This is not the apocalypse but a problem we should fix smartly.
Bjorn Lomborg is president of the Copenhagen Consensus and visiting fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. His latest book is False Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet.

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@jimmac said
I Hate doing this copy/paste, but, worth the read.

The climate alarmists won’t be having a good day today Bjorn Lomborg’s article will push them over the edge. These charlatans have to be closed down.
(The Australian)
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change just released its latest climate report and reactions from politicians and media pundits could not have been ...[text shortened]... lse Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet.
You do know that Lomborg doesn’t deny climate change and the human component of it, don’t you?

He just disagrees with the methodology of tackling it.

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@shavixmir said
You do know that Lomborg doesn’t deny climate change and the human component of it, don’t you?

He just disagrees with the methodology of tackling it.
I know that the report you quoted claims that:
1/ So far climate change saves 166,000 lives each year.
2/ climate change has added an area of green equivalent to two times the size of Australia.
3/ the average person in 2100 will be “only” 436 per cent as well off as today. ( whatever that means ) It does not believe we will be worse off in 2100. Understand that? 2100! 78 years away, SEVENTY EIGHT. yea ok. It says much "better" off.
So, why the panic, huh, this is the report that YOU quoted.

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@jimmac said
I know that the report you quoted claims that:
1/ So far climate change saves 166,000 lives each year.
2/ climate change has added an area of green equivalent to two times the size of Australia.
3/ the average person in 2100 will be “only” 436 per cent as well off as today. ( whatever that means ) It does not believe we will be worse off in 2100. Understand that? 2100! 78 ...[text shortened]... HT. yea ok. It says much "better" off.
So, why the panic, huh, this is the report that YOU quoted.
No response?, fair enough.