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They both have the same name LOL Serge. I would call them Serge #1 or Serge #2 🙂 One of them is brilliant at chess he kicked my ass bad! The other I beat after a hard fought game.

Originally posted by menace71
Putin is old school KGB and that he will never change.

Have there been any U.S. presidents since, say, 1947, who have been anything other than old school CIA, for all intents and purposes, to varying degrees, and I mean in terms of foreign policy and other deeds within U.S. spheres of influence? Will the U.S. ever change?

I'm just taking it from their perspective is all. They are a proud people some came here to escape persecution and to have political or religious freedom which they did not get in Russia or the former Soviet republics. You have see which is the lesser of two evils is all I think. I'm not saying the U.S. has not made mistakes but the lesser of two evils is all I'm saying.

Originally posted by menace71
I'm just taking it from their perspective is all. They are a proud people some came here to escape persecution and to have political or religious freedom which they did not get in Russia or the former Soviet republics. You have see which is the lesser of two evils is all I think. I'm not saying the U.S. has not made mistakes but the lesser of two evils is all I'm saying.

And I have been encouraging you, obliquely, to consider things from Russians' perspectives. I would be interested to hear what your empathetic skills conjure up. Go on. For the debatular fun of it.

Originally posted by FMF
And we'll hear it again when we see Patriot Act III working its way through congress.

is there something wrong with worrying about about your country's safety?

what would you do if someone was threatning Indonesia? tell them you just want to be friends? you know, that doesn't work in real life.

Originally posted by FMF
Have there been any U.S. presidents since, say, 1947, who have been anything other than old school CIA, for all intents and purposes, to varying degrees, and I mean in terms of foreign policy and other deeds within U.S. spheres of influence? Will the U.S. ever change?

you think Kennedy was old school CIA? Clinton? Carter?...Obama?

this is just more of the same old meaningless gibberish.

Originally posted by generalissimo
you think Kennedy was old school CIA? Clinton? Carter?...Obama?

this is just more of the same old meaningless gibberish.

Every U.S. president since 1947, without exception.

Originally posted by FMF
Every U.S. president since 1947, without exception.

🙄

Originally posted by generalissimo
🙄

Every U.S. president since 1947, without exception. In what way do you disagree. The CIA has been a vital tool to every single administration since it was set up. Which part of that do you disagree with?

Originally posted by FMF
Every U.S. president since 1947, without exception. In what way do you disagree. The CIA has been a vital tool to every single administration since it was set up. Which part of that do you disagree with?

That doesn't mean all presidents were "CIA old school" like you claimed.

Don't change your words, the CIA is indeed an important agency for the government, just like any other, but implying that presidents are somehow using it as an aquivalent to a secret police is ridiculous.

Originally posted by generalissimo
That doesn't mean all presidents were "CIA old school" like you claimed.

That's what I claimed is it? What about all the words I used to qualify that claim? Read my posts. Respond to the words I use otherwise your constant stalking this evening (my time) amounts to little more than petty gainsaying.

Originally posted by FMF
That's what I claimed is it? What about all the words I used to qualify that claim? Read my posts. Respond to the words I use otherwise your constant stalking this evening (my time) amounts to little more than petty gainsaying.

yes, thats what you claimed.

stalking? give me a break fMF, if only I knew you'd get so intimidated, I'd stop disagreeing with your stupid statements.

Originally posted by generalissimo
stalking? give me a break fMF, if only I knew you'd get so intimidated, I'd stop disagreeing with your stupid statements.

Whatever you say my little "active debater" sausage.

"Varying degrees", "for all intents and purposes". Whatever. You need to contradict me. Fine.

Originally posted by FMF
Whatever you say my little "active debater" sausage.

"Varying degrees", "for all intents and purposes". Whatever. You need to contradict me. Fine.

Whatever you say my little "active debater" sausage.

(BLEEP) you.

"Varying degrees", "for all intents and purposes". Whatever. You need to contradict me. Fine.

just another gross generalisation.

Originally posted by generalissimo
(BLEEP) you.

Have there been any U.S. presidents since, say, 1947, who have been anything other than old school CIA, for all intents and purposes, to varying degrees, and I mean in terms of foreign policy and other deeds within U.S. spheres of influence? Will the U.S. ever change?