@sonhouse saidI am not going to research who Trump may or may not have power over. Anyway, as you speak of him firing people, we assume he is firing people he has power over?????
POTUS has no power over inspectors general, the whole idea is to have INDEPENDENT people not beholding to ANYONE where they can be oversight and watchdog over corruption of any kind, financial, bribery, whatever.
When Trump wants to fire all of them, he is clearly signaling he doesn't WANT oversight to anything he wants to do which is a clear sign what he wants will be ille ...[text shortened]... w they were implmented.
Oh I forgot, NOW you say you are not a lawyer but licensed in two states.
Fire them, if he wants to. That is allowed with that law you mention. If he does not have power, he doesn't have power. Whew.
You are really upset. And you think he should not surround himself with people he can count on. You extrapolate that to 'yes men'. Have at it, I like my moniker better. Who do you want in his cabinet? Bernie Sanders? Get real, man. Wouldnt that be funny, tho. At the begining of each cabinet meeting, Trump would playfully hand his wallet to his Chief of Staff for safekeeping!!!! 😆
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@sonhouse saidBetter study up before you make a bigger ass out of yourself,
POTUS has no power over inspectors general, the whole idea is to have INDEPENDENT people not beholding to ANYONE where they can be oversight and watchdog over corruption of any kind, financial, bribery, whatever.
When Trump wants to fire all of them, he is clearly signaling he doesn't WANT oversight to anything he wants to do which is a clear sign what he wants will be ille ...[text shortened]... w they were implmented.
Oh I forgot, NOW you say you are not a lawyer but licensed in two states.
"On Friday night, President Trump removed at least 17 inspectors general, the executive branch watchdogs who conduct audits and investigations of executive branch actions. The removals are probably lawful even though Trump defied a 2022 law that required congressional notice of the terminations, which Trump did not give. Trump probably acted lawfully, I think, because the notice requirement is probably unconstitutional."
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/trump-fired-17-inspectors-general-was-it-legal
@lstcyr saidThe law (constitution) gives plenary power of the executive branch to the president. Trump can fire whoever he wants to of the executive branch.
My point, to belabor the obvious, is that just saying that someone won doesn’t mean you can ignore existing law at your whim. The Fuehrer believes that and sounds like you do also.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSo you are just fine with Trump removing the people who look for fraud, corruption, waste in spending.
The law (constitution) gives plenary power of the executive branch to the president. Trump can fire whoever he wants to of the executive branch.
You can't see WHY he would be doing that.
Those jobs are supposed to be INDEPENDENT where they can search files and such LEGALLY to see if overspending is occurring or outright fraud.
To fire them means Trump does not WANT overseers and the ONLY reason for that would be to further his drive to power in his corrupt regime.
@AverageJoe1 saidPeople he can "count on''
I am not going to research who Trump may or may not have power over. Anyway, as you speak of him firing people, we assume he is firing people he has power over?????
Fire them, if he wants to. That is allowed with that law you mention. If he does not have power, he doesn't have power. Whew.
You are really upset. And you think he should not surround himself w ...[text shortened]... h cabinet meeting, Trump would playfully hand his wallet to his Chief of Staff for safekeeping!!!! 😆
But the whole idea of IG's which have been in the system since 1978 is to have INDEPENDENT folks with the legal authority to suss out fraud and waste.
The fact Trump wants to fire ALL of them is a signal clear as a bell he does not WANT such folks peering into the workings of his government offices so he can do his dirty work unimpeded.
THAT is EXACTLY why we NEED REAL IG's, that was the whole point in setting that system up in the first place and Trump WILL abuse his power and do stuff that in any other era of the US would be considered illegal and outside of the law.
Trump wants to BE the law so if he for instance as in a case as we speak, send deportees to some country or other, instead of parsing it out to a civilian transport jet, he FORCES the use of military jets BIG ones to do the job and the cost for that is between 250 thousand and 800 thousand PER flight whereas a civilian jet is more like ONE hundred thousand.
THAT IS CLEAR WASTE AND ABUSE OF POWER. That is EXACTLY the kind of thing IG's are on the lookout for. THOSE ARE OUR TAX DOLLARS TOTALLY WASTED BECAUSE TRUMP WANTS A SHOW AND IS NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT INTERESTED IN DOING IT AS INEXPENSIVELY AS POSSIBLE.
But OF COURSE you don't mind your tax dollars being wasted, the total bill will be around a BILLION dollars for THAT debacle when it could be ONE TENTH of that.
So you are FINE with that waste of OUR TAX DOLLARS.
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@sonhouse saidIm fine with following the constitution.
So you are just fine with Trump removing the people who look for fraud, corruption, waste in spending.
You can't see WHY he would be doing that.
Those jobs are supposed to be INDEPENDENT where they can search files and such LEGALLY to see if overspending is occurring or outright fraud.
To fire them means Trump does not WANT overseers and the ONLY reason for that would be to further his drive to power in his corrupt regime.
If Trump were to do the things you listed, then THE PEOPLE would choose when they vote. that is how democracy works.
YOU are the threat to democracy.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidIn other words, we elect a would be dictator and you go, we elected him so he can do whatever he wants INCLUDING blowing up our democracy, installing himself as a dictator and all that is just FINE because we elected him.
Im fine with following the constitution.
If Trump were to do the things you listed, then THE PEOPLE would choose when they vote. that is how democracy works.
YOU are the threat to democracy.
So the motives of a POTUS means nothing, no matter WHAT dark project he really wants and said nothing about in the campaign, ALL THAT MATTERS IS WE ELECTED HIM and are stuck with whatever POTUS wants POTUS gets even if what he wants is to be KING or Dictator.
@sonhouse saidyou use a lot of boo words, all Im seeing from you libs is PROJECTIONS
In other words, we elect a would be dictator and you go, we elected him so he can do whatever he wants INCLUDING blowing up our democracy, installing himself as a dictator and all that is just FINE because we elected him.
So the motives of a POTUS means nothing, no matter WHAT dark project he really wants and said nothing about in the campaign, ALL THAT MATTERS IS WE ELEC ...[text shortened]... and are stuck with whatever POTUS wants POTUS gets even if what he wants is to be KING or Dictator.
But there is a process in our constitution for if a president, or any elected official that goes rogue.
What has Trump done that is unconstitutional?
@sonhouse saidWhat lawmakers think exactly like you do? Why are they not up in arms? Are lawsuits the most smoke that they can make?
People he can "count on''
But the whole idea of IG's which have been in the system since 1978 is to have INDEPENDENT folks with the legal authority to suss out fraud and waste.
The fact Trump wants to fire ALL of them is a signal clear as a bell he does not WANT such folks peering into the workings of his government offices so he can do his dirty work unimpeded.
THAT is E ...[text shortened]... AT debacle when it could be ONE TENTH of that.
So you are FINE with that waste of OUR TAX DOLLARS.
Please see my 'Get a Feel for the Nature' thread, do you agree with my post to Kmax. Somethiing new!!! You have certainly disclosed everything that you think about Trump
@AverageJoe1 saidWow, where did you get all of those assumptions? Not from anything I said. As the elected President, the Fuehrer can nominate or appoint anyone he wants PROVIDED that he follows the law. In the case of the IGs, he clearly didn’t. Probably because he doesn’t think he has to follow the law.
I am not going to research who Trump may or may not have power over. Anyway, as you speak of him firing people, we assume he is firing people he has power over?????
Fire them, if he wants to. That is allowed with that law you mention. If he does not have power, he doesn't have power. Whew.
You are really upset. And you think he should not surround himself w ...[text shortened]... h cabinet meeting, Trump would playfully hand his wallet to his Chief of Staff for safekeeping!!!! 😆
@Mott-The-Hoople saidI don’t think there is enough room to list what the Fuehrer has done.
you use a lot of boo words, all Im seeing from you libs is PROJECTIONS
But there is a process in our constitution for if a president, or any elected official that goes rogue.
What has Trump done that is unconstitutional?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidI just want him to follow the procedure outlined in the law. He can’t make up stuff.
Im fine with following the constitution.
If Trump were to do the things you listed, then THE PEOPLE would choose when they vote. that is how democracy works.
YOU are the threat to democracy.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidActually he can’t. There are positions that are covered by laws like the IGs. There are civil service positions covered by the law. As President he can’t do what he wants as long as he follows the law. He can’t just make up things to do because he’s President.
The law (constitution) gives plenary power of the executive branch to the president. Trump can fire whoever he wants to of the executive branch.