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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    08 Apr '14 11:34 / 2 edits
    It was so much fun watching the frowning faces on these fox news folks, as they were forced to admit the number of uninsured American's is dropping steadily. Squirming in their seats, and looking grim, they were forced to admit that Obamacare is not failing...it's working. Stay tuned for further frowns and squirming!

    http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-accomplishing-goal-u-uninsured-drops-6-low-182741369--sector.html?vp=1

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-07/obamacare-isn-t-failing-now-what?cmpid=yhoo
  2. 08 Apr '14 13:55
    Success is when people have the insurance they want at cheaper rates. Right now we have costs shifts to others (that's not a cheaper rate -- it's just billing other people), people not getting the insurance the want and complete uncertainty about what is and is not mandated by a law.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    08 Apr '14 14:25
    Originally posted by bill718
    It was so much fun watching the frowning faces on these fox news folks, as they were forced to admit the number of uninsured American's is dropping steadily. Squirming in their seats, and looking grim, they were forced to admit that Obamacare is not failing...it's working. Stay tuned for further frowns and squirming!

    http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-accomp ...[text shortened]...

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-07/obamacare-isn-t-failing-now-what?cmpid=yhoo
    Honestly, Bill, if you have to claim it as a victory when you give out free stuff and some people take it, that's a pretty sad commentary.
  4. 08 Apr '14 14:40 / 2 edits
    Perhaps the saddest commentary is that we were sold this legislation on the premise that there were around 40 million uninsured people that needed it. Then when it was implemented about 6 million lost their coverage. In the end, Obama claims that about 7 million signed up for Obamacare. I'm guessing a good portion, if not all, of the 6 million who lost their coverage were then forced to sign up for Obamacare. This leaves about 1 million total who received health care.

    Was 1 million worth it bill? And what of the 30 some million still without health coverage? So now we have around 30 million who are breaking the law because they don't have health coverage. Will they go after them and round them up? If they do, then why not illegal aliens? I'm guessing they will.

    I forgot, Jeb Bush now tells us that crossing the border illegally is an act of love and not really breaking the law. My bad.
  5. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    14 Apr '14 15:17
    Originally posted by whodey
    Perhaps the saddest commentary is that we were sold this legislation on the premise that there were around 40 million uninsured people that needed it. Then when it was implemented about 6 million lost their coverage. In the end, Obama claims that about 7 million signed up for Obamacare. I'm guessing a good portion, if not all, of the 6 million who lost the ...[text shortened]... s that crossing the border illegally is an act of love and not really breaking the law. My bad.
    Don't confuse him with facts. He won't let facts get in the way of his ideology. Libs never do.
  6. Standard member caissad4
    Child of the Novelty
    14 Apr '14 16:44
    Originally posted by bill718
    It was so much fun watching the frowning faces on these fox news folks, as they were forced to admit the number of uninsured American's is dropping steadily. Squirming in their seats, and looking grim, they were forced to admit that Obamacare is not failing...it's working. Stay tuned for further frowns and squirming!
    http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-accompli ...[text shortened]... =1
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-07/obamacare-isn-t-failing-now-what?cmpid=yhoo
    And just how many of the working poor were forced to buy junk health insurance with $5000 deductibles ??? That is not healthcare.
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    14 Apr '14 16:56
    Originally posted by caissad4
    And just how many of the working poor were forced to buy junk health insurance with $5000 deductibles ??? That is not healthcare.
    What did they have before?
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    14 Apr '14 17:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Perhaps the saddest commentary is that we were sold this legislation on the premise that there were around 40 million uninsured people that needed it. Then when it was implemented about 6 million lost their coverage. In the end, Obama claims that about 7 million signed up for Obamacare. I'm guessing a good portion, if not all, of the 6 million who lost the ...[text shortened]... s that crossing the border illegally is an act of love and not really breaking the law. My bad.
    About 10-12 million are illegal aliens not eligible under the law; do you support illegal aliens getting subsidies to buy health insurance?

    Another 5-6 million would have been eligible for the Medicaid expansion but they live in States who refused to accept it.

    There are a few types of exempt individuals under the law. Figure another couple million.

    Your "guess" is incompatible with the data presented earlier. It seems that not only have large numbers of people purchased insurance on the exchanges but perhaps an equal number have purchased insurance on the private market. That's considerable progress esp. since the law has really only been in effect for 6 months.

    EDIT: The US population is 317.8 million. According to Gallup the percentage of uninsured has dropped from 18% at the end of 2013 to 15.6% in a few months. That's a drop of 7.5 million people.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    14 Apr '14 17:02
    Originally posted by sh76
    Honestly, Bill, if you have to claim it as a victory when you give out free stuff and some people take it, that's a pretty sad commentary.
    Insurance purchased on the exchanges is "free"?
  10. Standard member caissad4
    Child of the Novelty
    14 Apr '14 17:04
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    What did they have before?
    The same thing except they didn't have a govt threatening to fine them for not wasting time applying for this junk. They still will use emergency rooms for their healthcare. To call the ACA healthcare is just plain stupid.
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    14 Apr '14 17:16
    Originally posted by caissad4
    The same thing except they didn't have a govt threatening to fine them for not wasting time applying for this junk. They still will use emergency rooms for their healthcare. To call the ACA healthcare is just plain stupid.
    Apparently 7 million of them were able to figure the exchanges out sufficiently to get coverage. Another 3 million were added to the expanded Medicaid program. And approximately 5 million young adults up to 25 years old got to stay on their parents' plan.

    Emergency rooms are only legally required to give emergency care though many do provide non-emergency care as a community service.

    Your own inadequate experience, probably related to living in a State with a government implacably hostile to the ACA, has blinded you to reality.
  12. 14 Apr '14 17:22
    The target was 30 to 40 million depending on whose number of uninsured you believe.

    Those continuing on the parents plan until 26 is again an unfunded mandate. These were insured before, and most likely would have been under the old system as soon as they got a decent job. In the meantime they were low risk.

    And what of the 6 million who lost coverage? To call this a success is really stretching things. It is successful only for the control freaks who see it as a stepping stone to UHC of the European sort.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    14 Apr '14 17:27
    Originally posted by normbenign
    The target was 30 to 40 million depending on whose number of uninsured you believe.

    Those continuing on the parents plan until 26 is again an unfunded mandate. These were insured before, and most likely would have been under the old system as soon as they got a decent job. In the meantime they were low risk.

    And what of the 6 million who lost cove ...[text shortened]... ccessful only for the control freaks who see it as a stepping stone to UHC of the European sort.
    6 million didn't lose coverage. They got cancellation letters as many people do every year. It seems virtually all of them got replacement coverage; otherwise it's hard to see how the rolls of the uninsured sank by 7.5 million.
  14. 14 Apr '14 17:29
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    EDIT: The US population is 317.8 million. According to Gallup the percentage of uninsured has dropped from 18% at the end of 2013 to 15.6% in a few months. That's a drop of 7.5 million people.
    18% of 317 million is roughly 57 million. 15.8% is roughly 50 million, so about a drop of 7 million, however the 57 million is far above any estimates heard before ACA was enacted. Even the 50 million is higher than the estimates of uninsured before ACA. Is someone cooking the books, thinking we will not notice?
  15. 14 Apr '14 17:30
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    6 million didn't lose coverage. They got cancellation letters as many people do every year. It seems virtually all of them got replacement coverage; otherwise it's hard to see how the rolls of the uninsured sank by 7.5 million.
    They don't reduce the number of insured gained?