Any one here with legal minds...... Lets us observe the Jan 6 hearings.
Cross examination is not allowed, there is no one to 'object'...... The leader of the hearing actually introduced a video by saying.."So, without objection...." WHO would have a standing to object in this environment???
The dems have a good story to tell, given, but they have set it up in a process, that is not a fair process, which is aimed at getting at the truth. This is more like 'messaging' than it is a real investigation. If this were being tried in a court, I as a lawyer could be REAL impressive if there were no defense lawyers. The Dems put on their own case, their own witnesses, their own exhibits, no Cross Examination, no defense arguments. There is no reason that the dems should not allow people like Jim Jordan and others to cross examine, it would have helped to legitimize their case.
No question this is all about getting Trump. Shouldn't we look more at security, other issues.?
@averagejoe1 saidWe should look at the issue of Soviet Show Trials being used to propagandize the public via a govt-captured main stream media.
Any one here with legal minds...... Lets us observe the Jan 6 hearings.
Cross examination is not allowed, there is no one to 'object'...... The leader of the hearing actually introduced a video by saying.."So, without objection...." WHO would have a standing to object in this environment???
The dems have a good story to tell, given, but they have set it u ...[text shortened]... .
No question this is all about getting Trump. Shouldn't we look more at security, other issues.?
@averagejoe1 saidLol it's not a trial. The most important thing in all of this is...
Any one here with legal minds...... Lets us observe the Jan 6 hearings.
Cross examination is not allowed, there is no one to 'object'...... The leader of the hearing actually introduced a video by saying.."So, without objection...." WHO would have a standing to object in this environment???
The dems have a good story to tell, given, but they have set it u ...[text shortened]... .
No question this is all about getting Trump. Shouldn't we look more at security, other issues.?
There. Was. No. Evidence. The. Election. Was. Stolen.
If that's the only message that gets across and no one goes to jail then at least we keep our democracy.
Bill Barr's testimony was very revealing. He was a huge trump ally, a die hard conservative, a staunch defender of Republican branded politics. You can't call him a RINO. You can't call him misinformed. Please listen to what he has to say about the election.
@averagejoe1 saidThis is not a trial. It is an investigation. If DOJ sees merit, they indict Trump.
Any one here with legal minds...... Lets us observe the Jan 6 hearings.
Cross examination is not allowed, there is no one to 'object'...... The leader of the hearing actually introduced a video by saying.."So, without objection...." WHO would have a standing to object in this environment???
The dems have a good story to tell, given, but they have set it u ...[text shortened]... .
No question this is all about getting Trump. Shouldn't we look more at security, other issues.?
@wildgrass we only keep our democracy if people vote for those with integrity, those who uphold the constitution. I disagree with Liz Cheny's political views BUT she has integrity. Trump has none. Those Republicans who still support Trump have zero integrity.
@wildgrass saidWas there any evidence that Trump stole the 2016 election?
Lol it's not a trial. The most important thing in all of this is...
There. Was. No. Evidence. The. Election. Was. Stolen.
If that's the only message that gets across and no one goes to jail then at least we keep our democracy.
Bill Barr's testimony was very revealing. He was a huge trump ally, a die hard conservative, a staunch defender of Republican branded politi ...[text shortened]... him a RINO. You can't call him misinformed. Please listen to what he has to say about the election.
@AverageJoe1
So for you Trump NEVER did ANYTHING wrong and it is ALL a witchhunt.
Please think about this one issue:
HANG PENCE.
How did they get that message even before he crashed the coup party and refused to accept the fake electors? As an aside, you do know there were actual fake electors, right?
Anyway, back to Hang Pence.
How did the get that message BEFORE the vote count by Pence?
Pence at that point in time should have been one of the good guys.
But there you are, HANG PENCE.
And it is VERY suspicious Trump phone calls matched timewise with ones received by the Proud boys.
So it was HANG PENCE before the vote count.
Does that bother you even a little bit?
Tell me how YOU think Pence was an enemy even before the vote count if Trump had not told them so?
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@averagejoe1 saidIt's not a courtroom, genius......
Any one here with legal minds...... Lets us observe the Jan 6 hearings.
Cross examination is not allowed, there is no one to 'object'...... The leader of the hearing actually introduced a video by saying.."So, without objection...." WHO would have a standing to object in this environment???
The dems have a good story to tell, given, but they have set it u ...[text shortened]... .
No question this is all about getting Trump. Shouldn't we look more at security, other issues.?
There is no jury,
there will be no finding of innocence or guilt
It's a FACT-FINDING COMMITTEE
...hello?......anyone there?
Facts worry 'ya, do they?
@sonhouse saidSonhouse, you have trouble with clear issues, as you immediately muddle them with your hatred and turn an issue upside down. For instance, you say that I, AvJoe, say Trump never did anything wrong. I did not say that. I do not like Trump. He did things wrong. Whew. Git Off my butt!
@AverageJoe1
So for you Trump NEVER did ANYTHING wrong and it is ALL a witchhunt.
Please think about this one issue:
HANG PENCE.
How did they get that message even before he crashed the coup party and refused to accept the fake electors? As an aside, you do know there were actual fake electors, right?
Anyway, back to Hang Pence.
How did the get that message BEF ...[text shortened]...
Tell me how YOU think Pence was an enemy even before the vote count if Trump had not told them so?
So, I did not read past your misdirected post, try again after you get a good read of the subject, how the trial/iinvestigation/grand jury is being orchestrated.
Go, man.
@AverageJoe1
Ok, you do not LIKE Trump but it's like, he's an assshole but he is MY assshole.
So what about the issue I actually brought up? You are evading that one.
That goes to the crux of the issue that Trump STARTED the coup along with hundreds of others and he WAS in communications directly with the Proud boys.
So what is it about that issue you don't want to discuss?
I brought my complaints down to just ONE issue and you can't even answer that one thing.
I didn't bring up the grift, the payments to hookers just before an election or any of the other corrupt things he did, just brought up that one issue for discussion but you don't want to do even that.
BTW, you mentioned Jordan, he is nothing but a grandstander, he proved that over and over again, a Trumpite from day one.
But Barr on the other hand, a true Trumpite even BEFORE day one said and I quote,
"It is BULLSHYTE there was massive fraud in the election" which is what this whole coup attempt was about and the REAL fraud was the attempt to insert fake electors which is what Pence would not allow.
Do you at least agree with THAT, there WERE fake electors?
@techsouth saidNo. And nobody said he did.
Was there any evidence that Trump stole the 2016 election?
What the fukk sort of drugs are you snorting?
Trump was 'detached from reality' says Bill Barr
Among those who warned him to not declare victory was former Attorney General Bill Barr, who in videotaped testimony said that he repeatedly told Mr Trump that there was no basis to claims of rigged voting machines or ballot "dumps" - which Mr Barr referred to as "crazy stuff".
Mr Trump, however, refused to acknowledge these concerns and continued to spread fraud claims, Mr Barr said. He testified that he was "demoralised" by his boss's claims.
"I thought, 'Boy if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with — he's become detached from reality, if he really believes this stuff,'" he said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61789605
@averagejoe1 saidAny one here with legal minds
Any one here with legal minds...... Lets us observe the Jan 6 hearings.
Cross examination is not allowed, there is no one to 'object'...... The leader of the hearing actually introduced a video by saying.."So, without objection...." WHO would have a standing to object in this environment???
The dems have a good story to tell, given, but they have set it u ...[text shortened]... .
No question this is all about getting Trump. Shouldn't we look more at security, other issues.?
No1Maruder and SH76 are the real legal minds here. You might want to get their side of this before you start running off at the mouth again.
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@shavixmir saidWell, other than Hilary Clinton, of course. And more than once.
No. And nobody said he did.