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  1. 23 Nov '09 17:29
    We badly need a one payer health care system. It's true, taxes will go up, however, salaries and employment willl sky rocket once businesses do not have to pay for health care. Also, by cutting out insurance companies, there will be enough to cover all all the uninsured. Additionally, prices would fall as businesses no longer need to earn the money to pay for employee health insurance. In conclusion, a one payer system would be a giant stimulus for the economy.
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    23 Nov '09 17:55
    Originally posted by 667joe
    We badly need a one payer health care system. It's true, taxes will go up, however, salaries and employment willl sky rocket once businesses do not have to pay for health care. Also, by cutting out insurance companies, there will be enough to cover all all the uninsured. Additionally, prices would fall as businesses no longer need to earn the money to ...[text shortened]... health insurance. In conclusion, a one payer system would be a giant stimulus for the economy.
    Because in Canada, they never have any problems with their single payer system.
  3. 23 Nov '09 17:56 / 1 edit
    welcome to the civilised world Joe Joe! i hope it works out for our American cousins, for it sure does in Europe.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    23 Nov '09 18:02
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    welcome to the civilised world Joe Joe! i hope it works out for our American cousins, for it sure does in Europe.
    Really, now? How many European countries have single payer systems?
  5. 23 Nov '09 18:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Really, now? How many European countries have single payer systems?
    i dunno? i dont even know what a single payer system is .
  6. 23 Nov '09 18:50
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    i dunno? i dont even know what a single payer system is .
    It's the same way infrastructure is funded in most countries. Private parties supply the goods/services, and then government picks the best deal (ideally).
  7. 23 Nov '09 18:50
    Originally posted by sh76
    Because in Canada, they never have any problems with their single payer system.
    I'm sure you agree that Canada has fewer problems with their health care system compared to the US?
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    23 Nov '09 19:30
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I'm sure you agree that Canada has fewer problems with their health care system compared to the US?
    I think that a country with 10% of the population of another country is going to have fewer problems of all types. You mean per capita? I don't know. I have Canadian friends who whine plenty about their healthcare system and there are plenty of anecdotes of Canadians crossing the border to get life saving treatment that they couldn't get in their socialist utopia*. Why don't these "problems" get more media play? I don't know. Everything in the US gets outsize attention for whatever reason. In addition, American media outlets dominate in Canada while Canadian media is rarely heard from in most US markets. Maybe we don't hear about Canadians' healthcare problems because nobody talks about them.




    * - sorry for the inflammatory rhetoric; I don't really mean that Canada is socialist; I just thought that phraseology sounded cool.
  9. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    23 Nov '09 19:57
    Originally posted by sh76
    I think that a country with 10% of the population of another country is going to have fewer problems of all types. You mean per capita? I don't know. I have Canadian friends who whine plenty about their healthcare system and there are plenty of anecdotes of Canadians crossing the border to get life saving treatment that they couldn't get in their socialist utop ...[text shortened]... n't really mean that Canada is socialist; I just thought that phraseology sounded cool.
    Maybe they don't get talked about because they don't exist, your anecdotal evidence notwithstanding.
  10. 23 Nov '09 20:06
    Nobody in Canada goes bankrupt or loses a home because of a medical problem. No one loses insurance if they switch jobs or get laid off. No one is afraid to leave a job they may not like for fear of losing his or her health insurance.
  11. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    23 Nov '09 20:41
    Originally posted by 667joe
    We badly need a one payer health care system. It's true, taxes will go up, however, salaries and employment willl sky rocket once businesses do not have to pay for health care. Also, by cutting out insurance companies, there will be enough to cover all all the uninsured. Additionally, prices would fall as businesses no longer need to earn the money to ...[text shortened]... health insurance. In conclusion, a one payer system would be a giant stimulus for the economy.
    ...all I can say is "GOOD LUCK!" Too many people in America think that whatever is good for the Insurance Companies and HMO's is automatically good for America. In the meantime millions will continue to be denied healthcare because too many people in the good 'ol USA just don't give a damn about them.! God bless America!
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    23 Nov '09 20:54
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Maybe they don't get talked about because they don't exist, your anecdotal evidence notwithstanding.
    How could something with anecdotal evidence to support it not exist?
  13. 23 Nov '09 20:57
    Originally posted by sh76
    I think that a country with 10% of the population of another country is going to have fewer problems of all types. You mean per capita? I don't know. I have Canadian friends who whine plenty about their healthcare system and there are plenty of anecdotes of Canadians crossing the border to get life saving treatment that they couldn't get in their socialist utop ...[text shortened]... n't really mean that Canada is socialist; I just thought that phraseology sounded cool.
    There are of course plenty of anecdotes of people reporting problems. But if you look at the actual facts, would you agree that Canada has fewer problems (per capita) with its health care system?
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    23 Nov '09 21:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    There are of course plenty of anecdotes of people reporting problems. But if you look at the actual facts, would you agree that Canada has fewer problems (per capita) with its health care system?
    "Problem" is too vague a term for me to answer that question. Is waiting 7 months for elective surgery a "problem"? It is if you're the one waiting.
  15. 23 Nov '09 21:37
    Originally posted by sh76
    "Problem" is too vague a term for me to answer that question. Is waiting 7 months for elective surgery a "problem"? It is if you're the one waiting.
    Is not getting any surgery at all a "problem"?

    Anyways, let's not get dragged down into anecdote territory once again. Let's look at costs, for example.