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Originally posted by daniel58I think it is a bit hypocritical of her to label herself "pro-life" and still support the war in iraq, don't you think?
To who? she's Pro-lifee, Pro-death people? Murderer's? Child-killers?
Originally posted by generalissimoNo, I don't think so.
I think it is a bit hypocritical of her to label herself "pro-life" and still support the war in iraq, don't you think?
Originally posted by sh76I know what you mean, I was just saying that I think the term is not accurate, if you don't support abortion then you're anti-abortion.
No, I don't think so.
First "pro-life" is a term of art, that specifically refers to being anti-abortion. Everyone understands that. Those who are "pro-choice" don't necessarily believe I should get to choose whether to buckle my seat belt before driving my car.
Second, most of those who supported the Iraq war did so on the grounds that toppling Saddam Hu ...[text shortened]... you don't mind my saying to, but I think that is a bit of a childish oversimplification.
Originally posted by generalissimoI agree with that.
I know what you mean, I was just saying that I think the term is not accurate, if you don't support abortion then you're anti-abortion.
"pro-life" and "pro-choice" are both inaccurate terms, why can't they just call themselves "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion"?
and yes, I know all that, I was just playing devil's advocate.
Originally posted by sh76a true "across the board" tax cut would be a tax cut where everybody gets the same amount of money...ie 300 bux/person.
I Democrats called the Bush tax cut a "tax cut for the rich" when in fact, it cut taxes across the board
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Originally posted by uzlessNo, a true "across the board" tax cut is one that cuts everyone's taxes by the same percentage. Obviously, you cannot cut someone's taxes if that person is not paying taxes.
a true "across the board" tax cut would be a tax cut where everybody gets the same amount of money...ie 300 bux/person.
Most tax cuts are done as percentages of your income.
A 1% income tax cut means:
40K income equals 400 bux tax cut
400K income equals 4000 bux tax cut.
A difference of $3600 for the rich boy. This is why tax cuts mostly favour rich people. You know that.
Originally posted by sh76uzless is right.....and sh76 is right...they can't both be right?....well that's also right
No, a true "across the board" tax cut is one that cuts everyone's taxes by the same percentage. Obviously, you cannot cut someone's taxes if that person is not paying taxes.
The Bush tax cut lowered almost every marginal rate. It was the definition of an across the board tax cut.
By your logic, every tax cut is a tax cut for the rich because the rich pay is a redundancy. Either way calling the Bush tax cut a "tax cut for the rich" is wrong.
Originally posted by sh76Your taxes cannot be cut if you don't pay taxes. Obviously. Therefore if you don't pay taxes, you aren't "on the board" in the first place. That argument is irrelelvant when discussing tax cuts. Besides, there are usually credits, or refunds given to poor people as part of the package but those refunds/credits are far below the value of the tax cut for the rich boys.
No, a true "across the board" tax cut is one that cuts everyone's taxes by the same percentage. Obviously, you cannot cut someone's taxes if that person is not paying taxes.
The Bush tax cut lowered almost every marginal rate. It was the definition of an across the board tax cut.
By your logic, every tax cut is a tax cut for the rich because the rich pay is a redundancy. Either way calling the Bush tax cut a "tax cut for the rich" is wrong.
Originally posted by uzless====By reducing all income tax levels you are ensuring that those people with incomes below the higher tax levels don't receive any benefit.====
Your taxes cannot be cut if you don't pay taxes. Obviously. Therefore if you don't pay taxes, you aren't "on the board" in the first place. That argument is irrelelvant when discussing tax cuts. Besides, there are usually credits, or refunds given to poor people as part of the package but those refunds/credits are far below the value of the tax cut for t reduced only the upper tax level since most of us make less than $100K)
Originally posted by sh76How can you say this? Did you not understand my example? Your income is taxed differently at different dollar values. You are assessed MULITIPLE tax rates. You don't pay ONE TAX RATE.
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Any tax cut in any system that taxes a percentage of income will inherently favor someone with a higher income. That doesn't mean it discriminated in favor of the people with higher income. In fact, if you look at the cut as a percentage of what they generally pay, I'd bet the Bush tax cut did more for the middle class.[/b]