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@no1marauder said
Who cares?

Your Vitamin D shtick, even in the unlikely event it's true at all, is just a way to encourage people to avoid taking effective vaccines. No one regularly checks their Vitamin D levels.
Scientific studies do not matter, got it.


@eladar said
If they did not check his vitamin D levels, then your article is fake news.
This stuff from you is almost comical.

According to you last year, there shouldn't be any COVID cases at all because it's Summer.


@no1marauder said
This stuff from you is almost comical.

According to you last year, there shouldn't be any COVID cases at all because it's Summer.
I gave an estimate for the first flu season, which was a lot more accurate than the 2 million dead prediction.

Of course the true number of tested covid caused deaths is much lower than the official number.

In any case, you are obviously closed minded and believe that if everyone got vaccinated nobody would die from covid.

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@eladar said
I gave an estimate for the first flu season, which was a lot more accurate than the 2 million dead prediction.

Of course the true number of tested covid caused deaths is much lower than the official number.

In any case, you are obviously closed minded and believe that if everyone got vaccinated nobody would die from covid.
Lying about what I believe is SOP for right wingers here.

Lying about everything else is too; as was pointed out MANY TIMES on this Forum, the 2 million dead estimate was based on no precautions at all being taken. That estimate hardly looks ridiculous now, does it?

Do you remember your "estimate" that New Zealand would have more COVID deaths the week of July 4, 2000 than the US would?

No, the true number of COVID deaths is almost certainly higher than the official number, which is based on tested COVID cases in almost all States.

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@eladar said
We are talking about spreading COVID. About 60 percent of vaccinated people still get sick and pass COVID to others.

Good news is that after getting sick, you do get immunity naturally. It is at least 90 percent effective.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/06/14/evidence-piles-up-that-covid-immunity-may-be-long-lasting/?sh=268d068818bb


And btw, making s ...[text shortened]... ls are at least 50 ng/ml also protects against getting covid and being hospitalized if you get sick.
Do you know the difference between lies and truth?

Apparently not.

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@eladar said
Scientific studies do not matter, got it.
Sure they do. And:

"Given the results of Neale’s large-scale study and the modest benefits found in Martineau’s latest meta-analysis, it seems unlikely that vitamin D will prove to be a critical ingredient in fending off COVID-19 or modulating its severity. "

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-vitamin-d-help-protect-against-covid/

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@no1marauder

Ok then you believe that covid will still be killing people and remain a problem even if everyone gets vaccinated.

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@eladar said
@no1marauder

Ok then you believe that covid will still be killing people and remain a problem even if everyone gets vaccinated.
I believe no vaccine is 100% effective if that's what you are asking.

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Covid deaths yesterday...151 for the entire US. This means fewer than 50 people younger than 45.

Come fall the numbers will go up again. After the third year most viruses are no longer an issue.

With all this mask wearing and man made viruses being injected into people, who knows if the pattern will hold.

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@eladar said
Covid deaths yesterday...151 for the entire US. This means fewer than 50 people younger than 45.

Come fall the numbers will go up again. After the third year most viruses are no longer an issue.

With all this mask wearing and man made viruses being injected into people, who knows if the pattern will hold.
This crap again?

"Oh, a few hundred thousand deaths is nothing, nothing at all"?

You've been spewing that for a while, too, after your original predictions turned out to be hilariously, if tragically, wrong.

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@eladar said
We do not know the long term consequences of introducing a genetically modified virus into the body. Once you put it in, you cannot get it out.

Sufficient vitamin D levels cuts your chances of getting covid by 80 percent compared to vitamin D deficient people. If you do get COVID it greatly decreases your likelihood of getting a severe reaction.

If you are 45 or younger ...[text shortened]... etically modified food, why would you agree to having a genetically modified virus put in your body?
The vaccines are not "genetically modified virus." They are not viruses at all. mRNA that gives your cells the ability to produce proteins in the shape of the SARS COV 2 spike protein is not a "virus."

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@sh76 said
The vaccines are not "genetically modified virus." They are not viruses at all. mRNA that gives your cells the ability to produce proteins in the shape of the SARS COV 2 spike protein is not a "virus."
I was told by a guy with a doctorate in microbilogy that they take the virus gene and splice off a chunk of it leaving enough genetic material to mimic the shape of the virus.

Here is a link that explains it.

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/12/yes-some-covid-vaccines-use-genetic-engineering-get-over-it/

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@eladar said
I was told by a guy with a doctorate in microbilogy that they take the virus gene and splice off a chunk of it leaving enough genetic material to mimic the shape of the virus.

Here is a link that explains it.

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/12/yes-some-covid-vaccines-use-genetic-engineering-get-over-it/
The link you just cited to says the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, which account for more than 90% of doses administered in the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States) are NOT "genetically engineered":

"It’s not hugely different from how traditional vaccines work. But instead of injecting a weakened live or killed virus, the mRNA approach trains your immune system directly with a single protein."

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@no1marauder said
The link you just cited to says the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, which account for more than 90% of doses administered in the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States) are NOT "genetically engineered":

"It’s not hugely different from how traditional vaccines work. But instead of injecting a weakened live or killed virus, the mRNA approach trains your immune system directly with a single protein."
Yes I know and it is a genetically modified gene being injected.

No thanks.

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@eladar said
Yes I know and it is a genetically modified gene being injected.

No thanks.
I suggest you read your own article. Or this one:

"The incredible difference in speed is owed to the fact that viral vaccines rely on animal cell biology while RNA manufacturing is a cell-free, biochemical process performed with synthetic enzymes."

https://www.path.org/articles/mrna-and-future-vaccine-manufacturing/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwl_SHBhCQARIsAFIFRVWPu_WnrGf1XtYi6M6c16yRvDG125vj1Esu3b_2lQOU9i3M1atRls0aAqypEALw_wcB

So no "modified genes" at all.