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11 Oct 21
Once again we see the EU overextending its reach as it tries to grab legal power in an independent nation state.
From the article:
On Thursday, Poland's Constitutional Tribunal ruled that key articles of one of the EU's primary treaties were incompatible with Polish law, in effect rejecting the principle that EU law has primacy over national legislation in certain judicial areas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58840076
Come on Poland you can do this, fight!
@divegeester saidPoland should be booted out of the EU.
Once again we see the EU overextending its reach as it tries to grab legal power in an independent nation state.
From the article:
On Thursday, Poland's Constitutional Tribunal ruled that key articles of one of the EU's primary treaties were incompatible with Polish law, in effect [b]rejecting the principle that EU law has primacy over national legislation in cert ...[text shortened]... b]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58840076
Come on Poland you can do this, fight!
They signed the agreements; EU law overrules national law on various points.
It’s good to see you standing up for the Poles’ rights to be homophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-female and all other variations of right-wing nationalist agendas.
@shavixmir saidHere we go 😆
It’s good to see you standing up for the Poles’ rights to be homophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-female and all other variations of right-wing nationalist agendas.
@divegeester saidCrawl back to your democratically elected house of lords and ponder the sin of hypocrisy.
One day in the hopefully not too distant future, the anti-democratic Europe-controlling EU will consist of … Germany … with France clinging onto her coattails like you wouldn’t believe.
Actually, not just hypocrisy, when one comes to think of it.
Misleading an audience, springs to mind too; considering the EU is a democratic institution. That some English people and nazis in Europe can’t comprehend the layers, is neither here nor there.
When you sign an international treaty… does that overrule national legislation? Yes. Obviously. Otherwise a nation wouldn’t sign up to the treaty if they didn’t want it to be binding for all parties.
Poland has signed up to EU law, which is roughly the same as the UN declaration on human rights.
The core difference being the UN declaration is non-binding, EU law is a treaty (and is therefore binding).
@shavixmir saidYour insults of racism, nazism and bigotry didn’t make a difference from 2016 to 2020 so it’s odd that you think I’m moved by them now.
Crawl back to your democratically elected house of lords and ponder the sin of hypocrisy.
Actually, not just hypocrisy, when one comes to think of it.
Misleading an audience, springs to mind too; considering the EU is a democratic institution. That some English people and nazis in Europe can’t comprehend the layers, is neither here nor there.
@shavixmir saidThe UK eventually regretted joining the EU and Poland are also.
When you sign an international treaty… does that overrule national legislation? Yes. Obviously. Otherwise a nation wouldn’t sign up to the treaty if they didn’t want it to be binding for all parties.
Poland has signed up to EU law, which is roughly the same as the UN declaration on human rights.
The core difference being the UN declaration is non-binding, EU law is a treaty (and is therefore binding).
As I’ve pointed out dozens of times over the last 5 years, membership of the EU inevitably results in an dilution of democratic power because the number of representative EMPs per head of capita is far far less than the number locally, therefore less control and power moves away from the people and towards the unelected commission who set the agenda. I am encouraged to see any nation kick back against this grotty gravy-train of dictatorship.
@divegeester saidHow is life without the EU?
Your insults of racism, nazism and bigotry didn’t make a difference from 2016 to 2020 so it’s odd that you think I’m moved by them now.
Still driving around and eating fish?
@shavixmir saidSo you believe countries should sell their sovereignty?
How is life without the EU?
Still driving around and eating fish?
11 Oct 21
@divegeester saidYeah all they have to do is not take money from a pot that is mainly filled by people who don’t think it’s ok to discriminate against someone on the basis of sexual orientation.
Once again we see the EU overextending its reach as it tries to grab legal power in an independent nation state.
From the article:
On Thursday, Poland's Constitutional Tribunal ruled that key articles of one of the EU's primary treaties were incompatible with Polish law, in effect [b]rejecting the principle that EU law has primacy over national legislation in cert ...[text shortened]... b]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58840076
Come on Poland you can do this, fight!
@eladar saidWhat’s sovereignty to you?
So you believe countries should sell their sovereignty?
Many EU regulations stipulate that members can make their own laws on the subject.
Some don’t. These are generally laws about human rights (like privacy) or agreed upon quotas.
Passports, border controls, criminal law, etc. Are all up to individual nations. So long as they adhere to the principles of EU law (so you can’t give homosexuals a death penalty, for example).
11 Oct 21
@shavixmir saidFine thanks.
How is life without the EU?
Still driving around and eating fish?
@kevcvs57 saidI’m not sure what you mean.
Yeah all they have to do is not take money from a pot that is mainly filled by people who don’t think it’s ok to discriminate against someone on the basis of sexual orientation.
I’m just excited to see another country building up to an EU exit. Hopefully more will follow.
11 Oct 21
@divegeester saidWhy though why don’t you think the common values of Western Europe are worth defending.
I’m not sure what you mean.
I’m just excited to see another country building up to an EU exit. Hopefully more will follow.
I won’t be sorry to see Poland go along with Hungary because I think it will strengthen and focus the EU not because I think it will weaken them. If their people decide that their religious beliefs give them the right to force their moral dogma based codex on others then they will probably be more comfortable in Putins sphere of influence anyway.
I think they should leave NATO as well because as they veer back to the east and Moscow they will weaken that organisation as well.
Perhaps the EUs biggest mistake was their eastern expansion.