Pope in the Hitler Youth

i believe people can change
even if he joined of his own free will in the Hitler Youth he could have been a young, impressionable kid. let's not forget that hitler fooled many into following him and it was not until the end of the WWII that became apparent to the German people that he is a sadistic evil maniac that will lead them to destruction

in short we could give him the benefit of a doubt and see how he does
also, he is doomed to mediocrity anyway(any pope following John Paul II would have lived in his shadow)

Todays German newspaper shows the Germans have a bizzarre sense of humour:

"Wir Sind Papst", don't they mean "ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
i believe people can change
even if he joined of his own free will in the Hitler Youth he could have been a young, impressionable kid. let's not forget that hitler fooled many into following him and it was not until the end of the WWII that became apparent to the German people that he is a sadistic evil maniac that will lead them to destruction

in sho ...[text shortened]... oomed to mediocrity anyway(any pope following John Paul II would have lived in his shadow)

Originally posted by lucifershammer
I couldn't agree more. People can and do change over a 50-year period. Even if he did join the Hitler Youth voluntarily, I'm not about to take the 78-year old Pontiff to task for something he did in his early teens.

Originally posted by Siebren
So you're saying,.. Time by definition is washing away all sin? Don't get me wrong I'm not judging the pope here, and I'm understanding what you are saying, but I just don't agree with it

Originally posted by Siebren
So you're saying,.. Time by definition is washing away all sin?

No, of course not. I'm merely saying that a person ought not to be judged by something he did so long ago he was virtually a different person.

Don't get me wrong I'm not judging the pope here, and I'm understanding what you are saying, but I just don't agree with it

Is your position, then, "Once a Nazi, always a Nazi"?

Lili Marlene

Underneath the lantern,
By the barrack gate
Darling I remember
The way you used to wait
T'was there that you whispered tenderly,
That you loved me,
You'd always be,
My Lilli of the Lamplight,
My own Lilli Marlene

Time would come for roll call,
Time for us to part,
Darling I'd caress you
And press you to my heart,
And there 'neath that far-off lantern light,
I'd hold you tight ,
We'd kiss good night,
My Lilli of the Lamplight,
My own Lilli Marlene

Orders came for sailing,
Somewhere over there
All confined to barracks
was more than I could bear
I knew you were waiting in the street
I heard your feet,
But could not meet,
My Lilly of the Lamplight,
my own Lilly Marlene

Resting in our billets,
Just behind the lines
Even tho' we're parted,
Your lips are close to mine
You wait where that lantern softly gleams,
Your sweet face seems
To haunt my dreams
My Lilly of the Lamplight,
My own Lilly Marlene

Originally posted by ivanhoe

Lili Marlene

Underneath the lantern,
By the barrack gate
Darling I remember
The way you used to wait
T'was there that you whispered tenderly,
That you loved me,
You'd always be,
My Lilli of the Lamplight,
My own Lilli Marlene

Time would come for roll call,
Time for us to part,
Darling I'd caress you
And press you to my heart,
And there ...[text shortened]... Your sweet face seems
To haunt my dreams
My Lilly of the Lamplight,
My own Lilly Marlene

Originally posted by Delmer
Marlene Dietrich, a classic indeed. Thanks for the lyrics, Ivanhoe.

Originally posted by flexmore
i believe he is not the first nazi connected pope.

Originally posted by Exy
That's right. There was Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII. This Pope did more than merely fail to speak out against Nazi crimes — he supported Himmler’s “Final Solution” and the Catholic Croatian Ustashi who were close allies of the Nazis.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Evidence?

Originally posted by ivanhoe

Lili Marlene

Written by German soldier Hans Leip in 1915, set to music by Norbert Schultze in 1938 as The Girl under the Lantern , recorded by Lale Andersen, broadcast by German Forces Radio but was quickly banned in Germany, broadcast daily by Radio Belgrade from Yugoslavia to the Afrika Korps in 1941 when Rommel indicated he liked it, adopted by the B ...[text shortened]... in English by Anne Sheldon in 1944.


http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/snd/lilymarlene.html

Originally posted by Delmer
One of my favorite all time songs. Also recorded in USA by Hildegarde. I have Hildegarde, Dietrich (German & English), and Shelton recordings. Do you know just offhand if Lale Anderson recording is available. Don't do any research, I'll try looking later. I just thought you might know.

Originally posted by ivanhoe

Lily Marlene

Vor der Kaserne
Vor dem großen Tor
Stand eine Laterne
Und steht sie noch davor
So woll'n wir uns da wieder seh'n
Bei der Laterne wollen wir steh'n
Wie einst Lili Marleen.

Unsere beide Schatten
Sah'n wie einer aus
Daß wir so lieb uns hatten
Das sah man gleich daraus
Und alle Leute soll'n es seh'n
Wenn wir bei der Laterne ...[text shortened]... i Marleen.


http://www.zenlyrics.com/Lale+Anderson/Lil+Marleen/showlyric/searchid/85513/