-Removed-That's where the devil may lurk, but it'll be fine, people will complain about the price of imported strawberries, emergency lettuces will be flown in from Germany, but the British economy will adjust. For me it was always about the principal of unification rather than economic stuff, and now we're out we'll be able to sort ourselves out. It might take a few years, but what with Covid and all everyone's f...ed anyway so now we can stop dragging the chains around and look to the future.
To sum it up:
- fishing quotas adjusted (25% less) fishing by EU. In 2026 new deal needed.
- the UK adheres to EU health, safety and quality standards
- the UK adheres to European labour and environmental laws.
- a new legislative body to judge disputes
- border controls, obviously
- no limitations on either side for trade
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Or to put it another way: basically the same as now, except Britain doesn’t have a say in EU matters anymore and a sack full of extra administration at the borders.
Well worth the hassle, eh?
Did someone predict this many times in years past?
Aye. Me.
Because it’s the only possible outcome which is not a complete nose-dive off rationality.
I’d be very surprised if the UK government doesn’t accept it.
And besides the French and Spanish, I don’t see any EU nation caring one way or another.
And for the 25% less fishing, I don’t see France or Spain really caring all that much either.
@indonesia-phil saidSee my post.
That's where the devil may lurk, but it'll be fine, people will complain about the price of imported strawberries, emergency lettuces will be flown in from Germany, but the British economy will adjust. For me it was always about the principal of unification rather than economic stuff, and now we're out we'll be able to sort ourselves out. It might take a few years, but ...[text shortened]... d all everyone's f...ed anyway so now we can stop dragging the chains around and look to the future.
You’re out alright. And still in where it all counts.
But, your strawberries will be fine (by the Summer they’ll have fine-tuned the border bureacracy).
@shavixmir saidSo the Brexiters will be able to say we're sort of out, and the remainers will be able to say we're still sort of still in; a compromise has finally been found, common sense has prevailed, we have become semi - detached, and everyone will be able to go down the pub together and talk about something else, preferably anything else. When anyone can go down the pub, that is.
To sum it up:
- fishing quotas adjusted (25% less) fishing by EU. In 2026 new deal needed.
- the UK adheres to EU health, safety and quality standards
- the UK adheres to European labour and environmental laws.
- a new legislative body to judge disputes
- border controls, obviously
- no limitations on either side for trade
——
Or to put it another way: ba ...[text shortened]... ther.
And for the 25% less fishing, I don’t see France or Spain really caring all that much either.
@shavixmir saidI don't actually like strawberries, for me it was never about strawberries. If they start f...ing with raspberries I'll be the first one up there manning the barricades....
See my post.
You’re out alright. And still in where it all counts.
But, your strawberries will be fine (by the Summer they’ll have fine-tuned the border bureacracy).
Some of it is soooo pathetic...
UK students will no longer be able to participate in the Erasmus scheme. But the UK will start an own student scheme... called Turing...
Seriously.
And the European Health Card (EHIC) will be replaced by... “a similar card”...
Renaming, rebranding... but in essence... not changing things which are good (student travel, health insurance whilst travelling, etc. ).
Obviously Johnson was speaking to his choir when talking about taking back control of the borders, laws, etc.
Borders have always been under UK (national) law. Every European country has control over its own borders. There are international treaties which the EU nations have signed up to. But Britain has signed up to them too. And leaving the EU does change that nought (think of the asylum treaty, for example).
And yes, Britain now has control over its own laws... in most respects it already did. However, any law it implements has to abide by EU labour, health, safety and environmental standards.
Don’t get me wrong: this is bloody good news for normal working people in the UK.
However, for the madhatter Brexiteers... and more importantly... the bastards who want to diminish their rights to make more profit.. it’s not a good thing. I’m sure Farage, Reese-Mogg and the Russian oligarchs in London won’t be exactly happy with this. At all.
Two matters I’ve not heard anything about:
- tax havens
- privacy adequacy
The first isn’t important to normal people and normal business. But the EU imposed rules on January 1st that individuals and businesses have to declare (show complience) in which countries they are storing how much money. A major step in actually forcing taxation and making it more difficult to avoid taxation.
Many very rich people in Britain wanted out of the EU for this very reason.
The second is much more interesting to normal folk and business. Without privacy adequacy the UK will be considered a 3rd nation and it will make trading information a bloody nightmare. The EU won’t be able to use British based servers, for example.
Best use an example for this last one:
Say you have a flowershop in Hull. And you want flowers delivered to Mrs. hutington’s wedding in Cottingham (next door to Hull). The flowers will come from Hoek van Holland.
Now, border checks on goods will be in place. This could slow delivery down. So, you don’t want the flowers to go to your shop first, you want them directly sent to the proper address.
No privacy adequacy? You can’t.
Then think big: universities, online shopping, business servers.
Bloody nightmare.
Oh well.
At least I can visit my pals in Blighty. Well... once this Corona malarkey’s done, that is.
-Removed-Corbyn was rightly called out for anti semitism but if you want to rid Westminster and number 10 of wider racism and Islamaphobia then there is still work to do.
Not sure why humiliating Jo Swinson was part of the mission or something to celebrate and worth remembering she was humiliated by a remainer SNP newbie not a brexiteer candidate.
But yes it could’ve been a lot worse, especially glad the grandstanding naive Corbyn has been removed from my parties leadership.
And we can build on the deal for keeping close ties with our fellow Europeans.
