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    so basically you get a frowny face if they don't amend their constitution first. ok, they should amend their constitution, THEN get necessary military equipment just in case pugsley does decide to do something other than threat.

    and if you consider japan can't preemtively strike at launch sites, then no constitution has been broken and they are simply having a mobile airbase.




    again you are trying to spark up a debate where there is none.
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    They are getting the A version, not the B version anyway. No F35s will be flying from Japanese helicopter carriers any time soon. They'll be flying from Japan.
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    do you have any idea how unrelated and all over the place your arguments are?

    first of all: north korea indeed had the right to not be attacked. that ended when they started doing nuclear tests and threatening everyone near them with "nucular splosions".

    secondly: it is one aircraft carrier that cannot launch jet fighters. even if it could be retrofitted, at the moment it doesn't breach anything.

    thirdly: japan is a very nationalistic country and with neighbours like north koreea and china, on what do you base your assumptions that the japanese people wouldn't agree with an increase in military capabilities? (they boosted their military defense spending by a whopping 0.8%, somebody do something before they conquer us all)

    why are we having this discussion?
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    An "aircraft carrier" is expected to be able to launch and recover jets - at the very least Harriers. Without V/STOL jets it's not a carrier.
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    I don't think this ship violates the "defense only" rule. Helicopter carriers and V/STOL carriers are roughly the same ship. The offensive arm of ships like that is the jets, but they are used for antisubmarine defensive work with helicopters.
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    China has much bigger carriers to talk about compared to the little Japanese helicopter carrier.
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    and north koreean nutjobs (and the hostile world power next door) have made the "minimal" self-defence considerably higher.


    what is your problem again?? you complain about abe's supposedly violation of the constitution? you worry the japanese will embark on world conquest? you deem them unworthy of aircraft carriers? what exactly is your point?
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    The DPRK leadership is not irrational. They're just completely selfish and merciless and don't care about the people they are supposed to represent.
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    ignorance about what? you don't bloody say clearly what you bloody want to communicate. what do you want? that the japanese dismantle their one freakin baby carrier just because a constitution they were forced to adopt 50 years ago says they can't have any of the cool toys? all this when the north korean are barking like rabid dogs and the chinese are (rightfully) still holding a grudge?


    one baby carrier that might be used to defend their coastline. what do you think they can do with it? drive it to pugsley's palace and shove it up its ass?

    they have the right, just like everyone else, to spend their fukin money on whatever military they fukin see fit.
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