'Primary school children should be eligible for the DNA database if they exhibit behaviour indicating they may become criminals in later life, according to Britain's most senior police forensics expert.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children
Is it just me that finds this idea totally sickening?
Originally posted by Thequ1ckI hope so. It has been the failure to deal effectively wiith young criminals that allowed them to grow up to be teenage killers.
'Primary school children should be eligible for the DNA database if they exhibit behaviour indicating they may become criminals in later life, according to Britain's most senior police forensics expert.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children
Is it just me that finds this idea totally sickening?
Originally posted by Thequ1ckThere was me thinking this was an altruistic stance by government where if someone was lacking in the genetic department they would gain access to the DNA database and be given the bits they were missing.
I don't see how taking their DNA is going to prevent a crime from
happening. Teenage killings aren't usually premeditated.
Originally posted by BogleOh my word! Bogle has got into a war of words with himself!
I hope so. It has been the failure to deal effectively wiith young criminals that allowed them to grow up to be teenage killers.
Originally posted by Thequ1ck
I don't see how taking their DNA is going to prevent a crime from
happening. Teenage killings aren't usually premeditated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism
Recidivism rates
As reported on BBC Radio 4 on 2 September 2005, the recidivism rates for released prisoners in the United States of America is 60% compared with 50% in the United Kingdom but cross-country statistical comparisons are often questionable. The report attributed the lower recidivism rate in the UK to a focus on rehabilitation and education of prisoners compared with the US focus on punishment, deterrence and keeping potentially dangerous individuals away from society.
Some observers now view the treatment of recidivism, especially for criminal offenders who are at risk of re-incarceration, as being a mental health issue rather than a "crime" issue for which choice theory based programs may be highly effective.
The United States Department of Justice tracked the rearrest, re-conviction, and re-incarceration of former inmates for 3 years after their release from prisons in 15 States in 1994.[1] Key findings include:
Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2% ), burglars (74.0% ), larcenists (74.6% ), motor vehicle thieves (78.8% ), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4% ), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2% ).
Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.
The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.
An accused's history of convictions are called antecedents, known colloquially as "previous" in the UK and "priors" in the United States and Australia.
Originally posted by zeeblebotIn England and Wales we have about 700 homicides a year out
why wouldn't it prevent murder number 2?
of a combined population of 53 million.
I don't think it's possible to estimate how many of those are likely
to be repeat offences but going on your statistics I would say 1%
sounds about right. So in theory if the DNA database operated
at a 100% efficiency we might save 7 people per year.
http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/tool/Default.asp?region=0&force=0&cdrp=0&l1=6&l2=1&l3=27&sub=0&v=2
And the price? A nation of suspects.
It should also be remembered that DNA can be used just as effectively
to mislead an investigation as it can to solve it.
Originally posted by Thequ1ckYou are not alone---it's a disgusting proposal
'Primary school children should be eligible for the DNA database if they exhibit behaviour indicating they may become criminals in later life, according to Britain's most senior police forensics expert.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children
Is it just me that finds this idea totally sickening?
Originally posted by PinkFloydit IS disgusting.
You are not alone---it's a disgusting proposal
however this topic is too easy and too obvious to debate
lets discuss another idea: get all people into the dna database. whether they exhibit violent behavior or not. while this action wouldnt prevent crimes, it will help with preventing second time offenders.
debate this
Originally posted by Thequ1ckWe have the same thing here, or just about. High-school age children are presumed "guilty" and then must submit to a drug test if they want to do any type of extra-curricular activity at the government, education-monopoly schools they're forced to attend. This is just another reason to get your kids out of these schools and into a private school.
'Primary school children should be eligible for the DNA database if they exhibit behaviour indicating they may become criminals in later life, according to Britain's most senior police forensics expert.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children
Is it just me that finds this idea totally sickening?
Originally posted by ZahlanziFirst thing I would say is the government's current record for not
it IS disgusting.
however this topic is too easy and too obvious to debate
lets discuss another idea: get all people into the dna database. whether they exhibit violent behavior or not. while this action wouldnt prevent crimes, it will help with preventing second time offenders.
debate this
losing important data could certainly improve.
Secondly what do you do with people that refuse to give their
DNA, take it by force?
Originally posted by Thequ1ckyou dont take it by force. one is not killed if he doesnt have a social security number. but if you dont register in the books you dont get to play with the cool toys the other citizens have, like health care, pension, etc.
First thing I would say is the government's current record for not
losing important data could certainly improve.
Secondly what do you do with people that refuse to give their
DNA, take it by force?
if that dna sample is taken along with the picture when you make your id card then all is ok.
getting a dna sample from anyone is in the moraly grey area for now. but did the catholics accepted condoms at first?(i believe vatican still dont accept them). so once a ticket to hell for wasting the sacred sperm, now catholics have accepted a useful idea that doesn't hurt them one bit