Originally posted by 7ate9Your goverenment would be the ones who run the prisons,under the department of justice.
i've recently been drinking with a few people of late, to study and learn what prison is like as a short jail sentence looks likely for myself.
one of my friends who went away for 3+ years was telling me of something that happened to someone else in jail. this guy he got told about ended up raping his cell-mate while in their own cell.
i don't know mu ...[text shortened]... ustice there, but if there was justice then it would not have happened in the first place.
There are a lot of horror stories told about prison, and while you should always watch your back, I've always suspected prison rape is something with a frequency rate far lower than people think. Ditto homophobia: jails, maybe, but most prisoners on long-term sentences will get along with anyone precisely because they have to to stay sane. Jails can be rowdier and less predictable (the only example of a cliched jail-type inmate I've seen in a max was a remand Lifer, and I saw one other Lifer actively sneering at him for playing the role, in this case of Main Location Lifer mocking sex offenders), but then again, you're not going to have to put up with it as long.
Don't worry about shanks, showers and beatings - just keep yourself to yourself at first, play it cool, get to know people, get yourself a decent job on enhanced regime and bide your time. It'll fly over. If you want to know what the real evil is in prison, think more about bureaucracy, passing the buck and tedium - from a staff point of view that's all I ever see.
Originally posted by 7ate9They are, though - which is why passing the buck and pointless systemic paper-pushing is the norm. I don't know much about the American or NZ penal systems, but here they'll put you on Constant Obs and open an ACCT (suicide and self-harm) form on you if they hear so much as a flippant comment. The reason is that if they don't and you do end up swinging from a length of ligature, they'll pay for it in blood.
yeah, but it just seems wrong that a few people can have all that power over people's lives simply because nobody really cares what happens to prisoners. not saying it's there fault, but they should be accountable to ensure it doesn't happen.
Originally posted by 7ate9The best jail system from the point of view of economy, security, effectiveness, and safety, was that known as the 'Silent System' practised in some American states during the 19th century and reported on by Dickens in his' American Notes'.
yeah, but it just seems wrong that a few people can have all that power over people's lives simply because nobody really cares what happens to prisoners. not saying it's there fault, but they should be accountable to ensure it doesn't happen.
Originally posted by 7ate9If you can't do the time don't do the crime. 😉
i've recently been drinking with a few people of late, to study and learn what prison is like as a short jail sentence looks likely for myself.
one of my friends who went away for 3+ years was telling me of something that happened to someone else in jail. this guy he got told about ended up raping his cell-mate while in their own cell.
i don't know mu ...[text shortened]... ustice there, but if there was justice then it would not have happened in the first place.
I assume this is still the drink driving thing?
Drink driving is not cool or anything, it's bloody stupid. People who drive while drunk repeatedly deserve to be locked up as they have shown a complete disregard for other people's safety.
If you had to deal with the accidents that drunk people have, and live with those things you might be a little more responisble and considerate of others.
Picture this, you spend a great night out with your friends, drinking, smoke a few cones, whatever, it's 5am and in your drunken stupidity you actually believe you're not that drunk and can drive really well despite not being able to walk straight or talk without a slur. On the way home you collect another car before slamming into a stobie pole.
After 6 months of rehab you are still unable to wipe your own bum, clean your teeth, feed yourself, stand, walk, or have sex. It is unlikely you will ever do these things for yourself again.
If going to jail is all you get out of your drink driving, you got off light.
Originally posted by dagsAn interesting point of view.
Drink driving is not cool or anything, it's bloody stupid. People who drive while drunk repeatedly deserve to be locked up as they have shown a complete disregard for other people's safety..
Does this extend to other people who repeatedly show a complete disregard for other people's safety too (so not neccesarily driving drunk)?
Originally posted by shavixmirWhy wouldn't it? If this point of view were not the same as societies (in general) then drink drivers would never be sent to jail.
An interesting point of view.
Does this extend to other people who repeatedly show a complete disregard for other people's safety too (so not neccesarily driving drunk)?
Even if drink drivers only ever hurt themselves they would still be inflicting their stupidity on someone else, usually the ambo's, Dr's and nurses etc who have to clean up the mess.
I'm not saying don't drink or do drugs or whatever it is that floats your boat, I'm saying do it responsibly sparing a thought for the possible consequences.
Originally posted by dagsYes, but your argument, as you put it, can include other people who are detremental to the health of others.
Why wouldn't it? If this point of view were not the same as societies (in general) then drink drivers would never be sent to jail.
Even if drink drivers only ever hurt themselves they would still be inflicting their stupidity on someone else, usually the ambo's, Dr's and nurses etc who have to clean up the mess.
I'm not saying don't drink or do drugs or w ...[text shortened]... s your boat, I'm saying do it responsibly sparing a thought for the possible consequences.
Do you agree?
Originally posted by boarmanActually, most of the state prisons in the US are privatized. The day to day running of the prison is done by a private company with government oversight. In the US the prison business is BOOMING.
Your goverenment would be the ones who run the prisons,under the department of justice.
To a certain extent. Like we shouldn't lock up pregnat women who continue to smoke during pregnancy, diabetics who don't manage their BSL's etc.
So are you saying we shouldn't send repeat drink drivers to jail? If some (repeat) drunk driver crashed into you and left you in a wheelchair would you want them to go unpunished?