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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    02 Jul '10 18:28 / 1 edit
    In California private schools [for minors] do not have to follow the same rigorous academic standards that public schools do. Is this fair?

    ...the State does not provide any educational curriculum, instructional or other materials, or standardized tests or assessments, to children who are educated privately

    http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/ps/rq/psfaq.asp


    For some reason our public schools are considered to be "failing" here in California. But there's a double standard...private schools don't need to meet the same high standards public schools do to be considered to "succeed".
  2. 02 Jul '10 20:09
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    In California private schools [for minors] do not have to follow the same rigorous academic standards that public schools do. Is this fair?

    [i]...the State does not provide any educational curriculum, instructional or other materials, [b]or standardized tests or assessments
    , to children who are educated privately

    http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/p ...[text shortened]... on't need to meet the same high standards public schools do to be considered to "succeed".[/b]
    That was my experience in parochial schools in New York state and Wisconsin. They took the Iowas (ITBS), but no one cared excessively about the results. We have a Montessori school in this town. I can't imagine that they do Montessori and yet do state tests, because the two seem mutually exclusive.

    I'm wondering if there should be a single nationally-required standardized test that isn't weighted toward middle class white boys.
  3. 02 Jul '10 20:13
    Right now I'm worried that I could be fired because not enough of my students passed the math portion of the state test. It doesn't matter that at the end of fourth grade, I had at least ten students who didn't have basic computation skills in spite of extra help. Thanks to social promotion, they entered my room unable to multiply and divide, and with minimal skills at addition and subtraction. Hard to go from that to fifth grade readiness, especially for those who were only in the school part of the year.
  4. 02 Jul '10 20:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    In California private schools [for minors] do not have to follow the same rigorous academic standards that public schools do. Is this fair?

    [i]...the State does not provide any educational curriculum, instructional or other materials, [b]or standardized tests or assessments
    , to children who are educated privately

    http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/p on't need to meet the same high standards public schools do to be considered to "succeed".[/b]
    [/i]Good question -- why would a state say "anything goes" with regards to the private schools while requiring the local public schools to adhere to various regulations?

    Maybe some of the local public school systems could restructure themselves to become "private" so they could get escape burdensome regulations.
  5. 02 Jul '10 22:36
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    In California private schools [for minors] do not have to follow the same rigorous academic standards that public schools do. Is this fair?

    [i]...the State does not provide any educational curriculum, instructional or other materials, [b]or standardized tests or assessments
    , to children who are educated privately

    http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/p ...[text shortened]... on't need to meet the same high standards public schools do to be considered to "succeed".[/b]
    That doesn't seem fair. Here in S.Carolina, private schools must meet all the requirements that public schools do (some would claim they have to do even more by jumping thru so many government hoops). But to graduate, everyone has to pass the same test.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    02 Jul '10 22:51 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by PinkFloyd
    That doesn't seem fair. Here in S.Carolina, private schools must meet all the requirements that public schools do (some would claim they have to do even more by jumping thru so many government hoops). But to graduate, everyone has to pass the same test.
    Really? What happens if a private school fails to "pass" according to NCLB? Do they lose money like the public schools do?

    The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB) is a sweeping piece of federal legislation that affects practically every aspect of American public education

    http://www.dillon3.k12.sc.us/downloads/nclbq1.htm

    The South Carolina High School Assessment Program (HSAP) consists of tests administered to South Carolina students to meet the requirements of state and federal laws. State law requires that each public school student pass an exit examination as one of the requirements for receiving a South Carolina high school diploma.

    http://www.fsd1.org/testing/H%20S%20Assess.htm
  7. 02 Jul '10 22:57
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Really? What happens if a private school fails to "pass" according to NCLB? Do they lose money like the public schools do?
    In the only instance I can recall that happening locally, the private school's principal was replaced with one appointed by the state, and the school was given some amount of time (I don't remember how many months/semesters) to meet a list of requirements, presumably set forth by the powers that be regarding health education and welfare in the state. The interim principal will be starting her second year this fall. As for losing money, I don't know. The private school I attended made it a point NOT to receive any money from the state.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    02 Jul '10 23:02
    Originally posted by PinkFloyd
    In the only instance I can recall that happening locally, the private school's principal was replaced with one appointed by the state, and the school was given some amount of time (I don't remember how many months/semesters) to meet a list of requirements, presumably set forth by the powers that be regarding health education and welfare in the state. The ...[text shortened]... know. The private school I attended made it a point NOT to receive any money from the state.
    Do you know what the name of the school was?
  9. 02 Jul '10 23:27
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Do you know what the name of the school was?
    Yep: Southside.
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    02 Jul '10 23:39 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by PinkFloyd
    Yep: Southside.
    Thanks

    EDIT - is it one of these?

    Southside High School (Greenville, South Carolina)
    Southside Christian School (Greenville, South Carolina)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southside_High_School
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    03 Jul '10 00:01
    I found this...

    http://badbadteacher.com/lance-diefenderfer-sentenced/