@no1marauder saidLiterally EVERY question of morality can be undermined by such hypotheticals. Tell me something you think is immoral and I'll make up a hypothetical just as absurd as yours.
Even conceding that is true, so what? Vegans think the slaughter of animals is "murder" but few advocate that the State use its penal powers to ban the eating of meat.
Anyway, I am not even here to assert that abortion is murder. I am saying that a substantial percentage of Americans think it is, and 6 SC justices thought it reasonable enough that the question should be left to the States.
If 6 out 9 SC justices think killing animals are murder, then all bets are off. We'd already be in a clown world.
@vivify saidThis is very true, Vivify. BUT... if Americans passed a new amendment to the constitution, there is nothing the SJC can do.
Yes they are. SCOTUS changed changed a previous Supreme Court ruling. There's nothing stopping them from changing it again.
What could they do, declare the constitution unconstitutional? 😆
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@techsouth said13% is not a "substantial percentage". It's a case of he who shouts loudest.
Literally EVERY question of morality can be undermined by such hypotheticals. Tell me something you think is immoral and I'll make up a hypothetical just as absurd as yours.
Anyway, I am not even here to assert that abortion is murder. I am saying that a substantial percentage of Americans think it is, and 6 SC justices thought it reasonable enough that the question s ...[text shortened]... justices think killing animals are murder, then all bets are off. We'd already be in a clown world.
Ironic that those who vote for pro-life wish to save the life of an un born feotus, but they are not so keen if it turns out out be gay!
Land of the free, back to the dark ages over night!
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I wonder what they would do if a baby could be proven to be destined to be gay?
Like they can do now with modern medical technology able to find conditions like bad hearts and such before birth.
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@techsouth saidNo, I didn't:
The Dobbs decision is 213 typed pages.
I think you've missed some nuance.
Kavanaugh: As I see it, the dispositive point in analyzing American history and tradition for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment inquiry is that abortion was largely prohibited in most American States as of 1868 when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, and that abortion remained largely prohibited in most American States until Roe was decided in 1973." Dobbs concurrence, Footnote 1
Majority Opinion: "The right to abortion does not fall within this category. Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was
entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy." Dobbs, p. 5
" By 1868, the year when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, threequarters of the States, 28 out of 37, had enacted statutes
making abortion a crime even if it was performed before
quickening." p. 23
This is the crux of the Court's entire argument; that unless unenumerated rights were recognized by State legislatures in 1868, they don't exist. But nothing could be further from the Natural Law principles that the Framers believed in than that.
@sonhouse saidWe have nothing to fear but the fear peddlers themselves"
@techsouth
Funny how 70% of American's don't want us going back to laws of the 19th century but the zombie republicans have been working that for the last 40 years and finally got their desire but that is only the start, ban on ALL states abortion rights are next. Before or after that is the coming ban on even contraceptives, next single sex marriage.
Right back where yo ...[text shortened]... y itself and make sure they rule forever.
Yep, you are dancing in the street over this for sure.
holy jeezus, man! lighten up
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@Earl-of-Trumps
I'll lighten up when the zombies are defeated and we have fair elections unlike what your hero Trump wanted.
I assume you think it is BS red states are pursuing laws to allow them to kick out real electoral counters and insert zombie puppets that will vote the way they are told and I bet if that actually comes about you would not raise a single quiver.
@techsouth saidThat wasn't a hypothetical; it was an observation meant to respond to your suggestion that because some people think abortion is "murder", it's OK for the state to enforce that belief by the use of penal laws.
Literally EVERY question of morality can be undermined by such hypotheticals. Tell me something you think is immoral and I'll make up a hypothetical just as absurd as yours.
Anyway, I am not even here to assert that abortion is murder. I am saying that a substantial percentage of Americans think it is, and 6 SC justices thought it reasonable enough that the question s ...[text shortened]... justices think killing animals are murder, then all bets are off. We'd already be in a clown world.
The majority explicitly declined to grant the fetus any rights at all.
@no1marauder saidThat is certainly something of interest.
It will be interesting to see in the weeks ahead what effect the decision will have on polls concerning the mid-term election. For example as of now, the Real Clear Politics aggregate of polls has Republicans with a 3.4% advantage in the generic Congressional vote. That is skewed by Rassmussen, a terrible and biased company which has Republicans ahead by a ridiculous 8 po ...[text shortened]... the decision. Might also want to check out polls regarding the most important Senate races as well.
Another way to view it is to look at the polls that show what issues bother voters the most. So far, it is inflation by a big amount
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@sonhouse
What you zombies could care less about is our reputation overseas which is now in the dumps,
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Who gives a sweet chit what other peoples think of us??
Do you think I should change my stance on 2A just to make @Shavixmir and his ilk happy?? My ass I will
@mott-the-hoople saidno dumbass, it's about sending a message to politicians that supporting this might be dangerous to their career.
you are correct, if you are talking about YOUR comment, scotus rulings are not subject to change. What do you fools think? scotus will go back in session and reverse their ruling?
it won't stop cruel laws against abortion from happening in the stupid red states but might help in purple states
@vivify saidYou are half correct.
You're being stupid. Protests are not a coup. Violence should never be tolerated but neither should stupid comments like this one.
What should be even less tolerated is any religious group imposing their beliefs onto other groups using violent force and imprisonment via state police.
@earl-of-trumps saidTrue, but those polls were also taken when Roe being overturned was a possibility not a reality.
That is certainly something of interest.
Another way to view it is to look at the polls that show what issues bother voters the most. So far, it is inflation by a big amount
@techsouth saidThere is no similarity.
You somehow can't see the irony of this happening during Jan6 hearings.
That is why you have the January 6th hearings.