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2 Samuel 13:10 -14:
“Come to bed with me, my sister.”
“No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me! Such a thing should not be done in Israel! Don’t do this wicked thing. What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace? Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.” But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he raped her.
Raping your sister is "very tame stuff".
@zahlanzi saidActually, you proved my point.
I think we made sh sad
In every example you gave (and there are lots more where those came from), the deeds are reported in the abstract, as history, not described.
Saying "A had sex with B" is not pornography. It's pornography when you describe it in prurient detail or show it.
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pornography
noun
the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pornography
Saying "A raped B" or even "A raped B violently" or "A and B had sex every hour for a month" does not qualify
If you need an example of what would qualify, pick up any airport novel.
@sh76 saidThat standard for "porn" is the standard set by conservatives. If you don't believe the Bible is pornographic then you've proven the point of the OP: That Republicans just make s**t up in order to ban books they don't like.
Actually, you proved my point.
In every example you gave (and there are lots more where those came from), the deeds are reported in the abstract, as history, not described.
Saying "A had sex with B" is not pornography. It's pornography when you describe it in prurient detail or show it.
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@vivify saidThis just goes to show (and sh76 totally misses the point here) that what right-wingers deem to be "obscene" or "harmful to children" is informed by their hatred and fear of people who are different in ways that they find personally revolting. It has nothing whatsoever to do with sexually explicit content or sexual bodily functions per se.
Ejaculating on the floor after banging your dead brother's wife is tame stuff for kids.
Talk about harming children? Let's talk about religion. When I was forced to go to Sunday School at the tender age of 6 or so, I was introduced to the wonderful concept of eternal damnation. Without going into details, suffice it to say it was traumatizing for me, and I still carry the scars.
There's also the problem that arises when a child enters adolescence (or even preadolescence) and starts questioning the religion they were brought up to believe in. Because their religion had been a bedrock of their identity for as long as they can remember, to have that foundation of blind dogma crumble suddenly in the turbulent teen years often leads to trauma or even (as in the case of one high school friend of mine) suicide.
I was lucky to lose my faith (i.e. my programming) before age 10, as it made the adjustment so much easier, and it was like a great weight had been lifted off my shoulders.
@sh76 saidThe David statue is not intended for sexual titillation
pornography
noun
the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pornography
Saying "A raped B" or even "A raped B violently" or "A and B had sex every hour for a month" does not qualify
If you need an example of what would qualify, pick up any airport novel.
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@sh76 saidUh huh.
Actually, you proved my point.
In every example you gave (and there are lots more where those came from), the deeds are reported in the abstract, as history, not described.
Saying "A had sex with B" is not pornography. It's pornography when you describe it in prurient detail or show it.
You continue to miss the point. I think willfully.
The point is that books are being banned from schools and libraries that are in fact quite tame, or "abstract" as you put it. A book about a child with "two dads"? That's the kind of book that is getting pulled from library shelves, even though the book does not go into what the dads might be doing in the bedroom, and despite the fact that there are over 100,000 same-sex couples raising children in the US.* The upshot: the standard that right-wingers have set to determine whether a book is banned can be applied to their own treasured tomes.
* https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/same-sex-parents-us/
@sh76 saidYou think the following are all porn with descriptions of sex intended to titillate?
pornography
noun
the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pornography
Saying "A raped B" or even "A raped B violently" or "A and B had sex every hour for a month" does not qualify
If you need an example of what would qualify, pick up any airport novel.
https://pen.org/florida-book-bans-not-a-hoax/
DESANTIS CLAIM:
Books are being removed from Florida classrooms and libraries because they are “pornographic, violent or inappropriate.”
FACT:
Books that have been banned in Florida include:
Biographies of Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente that Duval County admitted to removing from shelves for nearly a year, along with 177 other books from a collection of diverse books.
And Tango Makes Three, a picture book about two male penguins raising a chick.
Stella Brings the Family, a picture book about a girl with two dads.
When Wilma Rudolph Played Basketball, pulled from open shelves temporarily after one person complained about it.
Forever, by Judy Blume
Booker Prize winner The God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy
Nobel Prize winner Toni Morrison’s The Bluest Eye
All Boys Aren’t Blue, by George M. Johnson
The Handmaid’s Tale, by Margaret Atwood
@sh76 saidOh so it's a matter of "how good the porn is with you"
Actually, you proved my point.
In every example you gave (and there are lots more where those came from), the deeds are reported in the abstract, as history, not described.
Saying "A had sex with B" is not pornography. It's pornography when you describe it in prurient detail or show it.
Hey I agree the bible has the worst porn in it. But just because they were lazy and didn't bother to describe their porn better doesn't mean it isn't there. The gay penguins children book doesn't have explicit porn. Doesn't have "abstract" porn either. Yet it was somehow banned.
@sh76 saidThese laws in a number of states are written (seemingly purposefully) vague. In this case, the law bans books containing "pornographic or indecent" content. In effect, given the numerous examples provided in this thread, this leaves the Bible up for grabs, at the whim of whatever the current politics are of the administrator charged with enforcing it.
Actually, you proved my point.
In every example you gave (and there are lots more where those came from), the deeds are reported in the abstract, as history, not described.
Saying "A had sex with B" is not pornography. It's pornography when you describe it in prurient detail or show it.
My favorite among this flavor of legislation is when they banned teaching "controversial topics" leaving teachers with just.... math.
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Christine Hayes:
The Bible is NOT for children! I have a 12 year old and 8 year old and I won't let them read it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Hayes
Christine Hayes is an American academic and scholar of Jewish studies, currently serving as the Sterling Professor of Religious Studies in Classical Judaica at Yale University, specializing in Talmudic and Midrashic studies and Classical Judaica.
Quote from 21:30 in above lecture