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Originally posted by no1marauderI don't know how to break this to you, but a forfeiture IS an exception.
No, I don't recognize an exception to a right to life. I do recognize that someone by their actions can forfeit that right (or any right for that matter). You seem to think that there is an exception to the right to life i.e. that one has to accept death if someone else chooses to kill him.
Also, I don't believe that "one has to accept death if someone else chooses to kill him." I believe that one shouldn't resort to deadly force in the face of a perceived threat. There is a difference.
At what point does a perceived threat warrant the forfeiture of the right to life?
ThinkofOne,
Your idea that killing can never be justified is one of the more silly ideas I have heard presented on the RHP forums, so I would like to explore further to see if this is as silly as your idea gets or if it is rooted in even sillier ideas.
Suppose your wife is being attacked by a man with a knife, he is vastly physically superior to you but does not notice your presence. You happen to know a karate move that, if executed properly, will break the man's neck leaving him paralyzed from the neck down for life. You have very little time to act and you are reasonably certain that any action other than this one would result in the death of not only your wife, but most probably yourself as well. Would you paralyze the man?
Originally posted by TheSkipperlol. I hope you didn't spend a lot of time thinking up this one. 🙂
ThinkofOne,
Your idea that killing can never be justified is one of the more silly ideas I have heard presented on the RHP forums, so I would like to explore further to see if this is as silly as your idea gets or if it is rooted in even sillier ideas.
Suppose your wife is being attacked by a man with a knife, he is vastly physically superior to you ...[text shortened]... e death of not only your wife, but most probably yourself as well. Would you paralyze the man?
Tell me why I want to play this game.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou do not want to play this game because you recognize a counterexample to your claim but are unwillingly to give up your position. I have no idea why you will not simply admit that you spoke hastily and erred.
lol. I hope you didn't spend a lot of time thinking up this one. 🙂
Tell me why I want to play this game.
Originally posted by bbarrNo, no, there really are people with that kind of totally wimpy mindset, until they or a loved one becomes a victim of a violent crime and then they realize what a douchebag they've been.
You do not want to play this game because you recognize a counterexample to your claim but are unwillingly to give up your position. I have no idea why you will not simply admit that you spoke hastily and erred.
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Originally posted by bbarrYour mind reading skills seem to be lacking. You might want to give that up.
You do not want to play this game because you recognize a counterexample to your claim but are unwillingly to give up your position. I have no idea why you will not simply admit that you spoke hastily and erred.
By the way, you've seemed reasonably intelligent. You're better than this.
Originally posted by bbarrThinkOfOne, if we take history as our guide, is constitutionally unable to admit error.
You do not want to play this game because you recognize a counterexample to your claim but are unwillingly to give up your position. I have no idea why you will not simply admit that you spoke hastily and erred.
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Originally posted by epiphinehasYou established long ago that you aren't better than this. You've always had that schoolgirl pack mentality. Must remain with societal norms or risk being ostracized.
ThinkOfOne, if we take history as our guide, is constitutionally unable to admit error.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneAre you seriously suggesting that my willingness to kill an intruder who threatens the lives of my wife and daughter is due to a "schoolgirl pack mentality" ?
You established long ago that you aren't better than this. You've always had that schoolgirl pack mentality. Must remain with societal norms or risk being ostracized.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneLook, you claimed that the intentional killing of a human was murder and, hence, immoral. I can think of any number of cases where the inference from the premise "X is an instance of an intentional killing of a human" to the conclusion "X is an instance of an immoral act" seems an error. There are mercy killings, self-defense, the defense of loved ones, etc., all of which seem permissible in extreme cases. If you are going to claim that our fundamental intuitions about these cases are misguided, then give us an argument! It is not enough to claim "But humanity has been mistaken...".
Your mind reading skills seem to be lacking. You might want to give that up.
By the way, you've seemed reasonably intelligent. You're better than this.
Originally posted by epiphinehasNo, the way you, KM and Josephw follow me around from thread to thread to take shots.
Are you seriously suggesting that my willingness to kill an intruder who threatens the lives of my wife and daughter is due to a "schoolgirl pack mentality" ?
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