Originally posted by no1marauderIs there really a demand for those more educated people? I just watched a piece on TV regarding how many of those highly educated folks are unemployed, and how low the demand is for those masters and Phd grads.
In other words, you just wanted to rant and rave without discussing anything substantive.
Sorry I misunderstood your intent. Yes people who go to grad school ARE "more educated" than those who don't. And the evidence refutes your notion that widespread availability of higher education devalues it; a far higher percentage of young people go to college ...[text shortened]... nings between a college educated person and a non-college educated person has sharply increased.
Originally posted by no1marauderWhile the federal constitution does not guarantee the right to an education, my understanding is that in many or most states, either the state constitution expressly makes education a right or the state courts have ruled that education is a right.
I really don't know what you are talking about; there is no right to an education in the US. In addition, far from being "obligated to babysit every child of school age no matter how disruptive or how uninterested that child is in learning" schools routinely punish students with suspensions and expulsions'; over 3 million of the former and 100,000 of th ...[text shortened]... e US though other nations have Constitutional or statutory provisions asserting such a "right"😉.
See, e.g.,
http://www.educationjustice.org/states/california.html
http://www.geneseo.edu/~jfmorse/documents/s15326993es4001_5.pdf
http://www.educationjustice.org/news/may-5-2014-taking-the-right-to-education-out-of-state-constitutions.html
Originally posted by sh76And yet, in high schools and below, all across America, we see student apathy as never before. I saw it in college where kids were sent by their parents, who were paying, and the kids had no interest in their education.
While the federal constitution does not guarantee the right to an education, my understanding is that in many or most states, either the state constitution expressly makes education a right or the state courts have ruled that education is a right.
See, e.g.,
http://www.educationjustice.org/states/california.html
http://www.geneseo.edu/~jfmorse/documen ...[text shortened]... ucationjustice.org/news/may-5-2014-taking-the-right-to-education-out-of-state-constitutions.html
How can education be a right, and a duty or requirement, at the same time?
Same dilemma with voting?
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Originally posted by normbenignNot only is education not a right, in most States, it is an obligation of people under age 16. You must go to school, like it or not. If public school weren't obligatory, could we better serve those who really want to learn?
And yet, in high schools and below, all across America, we see student apathy as never before. I saw it in college where kids were sent by their parents, who were paying, and the kids had no interest in their education.
How can education be a right, and a duty or requirement, at the same time?
Same dilemma with voting?
Originally posted by whodeyRight to health care translates into shifting the cost from private sector to public sector which increases profits in the private sector and increased taxes on the working people.
For those who say that we have a natural right to health care, where does that end, if at all?
Do people have the right to any medical procedure? Does it mean that people have the right to equal quality of health care etc?
It seems to me that both governmental programs and private insurance deny people some forms of health care. So are both violating our natural rights by doing so?
Long live the Manor/Plantation.
Originally posted by EladarGetting health care is so tyrannical, especially if you have to pay X in taxes instead of 2X to insurance companies. I really wish I had the freedom to pay more for my health care.
Right to health care translates into shifting the cost from private sector to public sector which increases profits in the private sector and increased taxes on the working people.
Long live the Manor/Plantation.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraHaving tax payers pay for insurance instead of a benefit is tyrannical. People who are too stupid to see taxes taken out of your paycheck isn't actually losing money can't be reasoned with. They are too blinded by their good intentions to see reality.
Getting health care is so tyrannical, especially if you have to pay X in taxes instead of 2X to insurance companies. I really wish I had the freedom to pay more for my health care.
The best health care a government could provide is free food that is good for you and free housing that is clean and won't get you sick. People who eat healthy food and live in a clean environment don't need nearly as much health care.
Originally posted by normbenignI know actual statistics don't mean anything to you BUT:
Is there really a demand for those more educated people? I just watched a piece on TV regarding how many of those highly educated folks are unemployed, and how low the demand is for those masters and Phd grads.
Among millennials ages 25 to 32, median annual earnings for full-time working college-degree holders are $17,500 greater than for those with high school diplomas only. That gap steadily widened for each successive generation in the latter half of the 20th century. As of 1986, the gap for late baby boomers ages 25 to 32 was just more than $14,200, and for early boomers in 1979, it was far smaller at $9,690. The gap for millennials is also more than twice as large as it was for the silent generation in 1965, when the gap for that cohort was just under $7,500 (all figures are in 2012 dollars).
A graph of earnings of high school graduates ages 25 to 32 by generation. Put another way, today's young high school-only grads earn about 62 percent of what their college-graduate peers earn. In 1965, the figure was nearly 81 percent.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/11/study-income-gap-between-young-college-and-high-school-grads-widens
Of course as the article points out, the real problem is the disappearance of good blue collar jobs that used to provide a decent wage and benefits to those with only high school degrees.
Originally posted by EladarSo you're against Medicare too? Make those old folks pay what the insurance market says is a fair premium?
Having tax payers pay for insurance instead of a benefit is tyrannical. People who are too stupid to see taxes taken out of your paycheck isn't actually losing money can't be reasoned with. They are too blinded by their good intentions to see reality.
The best health care a government could provide is free food that is good for you and free housing that ...[text shortened]... ople who eat healthy food and live in a clean environment don't need nearly as much health care.
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm aware of the pay differential, from a two hour radio special I listened to. What was never asked, and therefore never answered, is why there are so many highly educated people unemployed?
I know actual statistics don't mean anything to you BUT:
Among millennials ages 25 to 32, median annual earnings for full-time working college-degree holders are $17,500 greater than for those with high school diplomas only. That gap steadily widened for each successive generation in the latter half of the 20th century. As of 1986, the gap for late ba ...[text shortened]... lar jobs that used to provide a decent wage and benefits to those with only high school degrees.
My guess is that their education is of a type not in demand. A lot of jobs these days are education specific, not just requiring a bachelor's degree or above.
How can the HS Grad, know what education is going to pay off, and which ones are scams?
Does anyone at the university level give decent advise as to what education is going to be practical, and lead to employment?
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm against Socialism in general.
So you're against Medicare too? Make those old folks pay what the insurance market says is a fair premium?
Take away health insurance altogether and force the medical community to provide service at prices people can afford.
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraWhy does everyone need a Ferrari?
Take away Ferrari insurance altogether and force the car industry to provide Ferraris at prices people can afford.
Case in point:
My son broke his arm and the doctors were about to put a cast made of Kevlar on his arm. We said that we needed a cheaper cast because we were not maxed out on deductibles. They put on a regular plaster cast costing much less.
Btw,
We had insurance and it was before Obamacare. Do you know why? I had a job.