1. Germany
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    04 Nov '09 12:17
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    It is good to be decerning but, do not take too much of what they say or said w/a "grain of salt".
    Those who do not know or forget history are doomed to repeat it.
    Hmm... what about people who are ignorant of or ignore even the current facts?
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    04 Nov '09 13:543 edits
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Imagine this... if a government does badly, then people could decide that they want a new government. This will give an incentive for governments to produce collective goods efficiently. I think I will call this system "democracy". Might work.
    Might work. Usually doesn't.

    In a democracy, you generally have one party promising to give away lots of new "free" stuff and the other party promising to cut the prices of the stuff we already don't pay full price for. Meanwhile, there's someone in the back of the room that says we need to stop all the borrowing and actually PAY for all the stuff we get, or else live on a budget and make do with less stuff. That person promptly gets a wedgie. The fairytales being proposed by the popular kids are so much cooler!!

    And so government gets bigger, and taxes get lower, and China gets richer, and no one bothers with proposing ways to make things more efficient because wedgies aren't very fun. Just ask Chris Daggett in New Jersey.
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    04 Nov '09 17:381 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Businesses are dictatorial enterprises, not democratic ones. Unlike in a government, where the common man has a vote in its running, the people have no vote in the running of a business. Businesses are accountable solely to their shareholders. The desire to 'run government as a business' is the desire to remove all government functions from the public spher ...[text shortened]... ble solely to the elite shareholder class and immune to the democratic will of the common man.
    Businesses are dictatorial enterprises, not democratic ones

    who said they were meant to be democratic?
    also, it depends on what kind of management style the business has, not all of them are autocratic.

    Unlike in a government, where the common man has a vote in its running, the people have no vote in the running of a business

    why should they?
    businesses are not supposed to be like government.

    The desire to 'run government as a business' is the desire to remove all government functions from the public sphere and move them into the private sphere where they will be accountable solely to the elite shareholder class and immune to the democratic will of the common man.

    who said I wanted to "run government as a business"? the idea is moronic, just like the OP.
  4. Standard memberbill718
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    05 Nov '09 01:06
    Originally posted by uzless
    Considering that more than 50% of private companies go bankrupt, why do people insist that private companies are better at running things than governments?

    Seems the facts are at odds with peoples beliefs.
    Government SHOULD run like a business because the G O P says so!! What are you a Socialist? A Communist? A tree hugging Liberal!!?? What America really needs is to keep ALL the money out of the hands of the needy and the working class, and INTO the hands of the wealthy, and the major Insurance Companies who know how best to manage it! 🙄
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    05 Nov '09 17:28
    Originally posted by bill718
    Government SHOULD run like a business because the G O P says so!! What are you a Socialist? A Communist? A tree hugging Liberal!!?? What America really needs is to keep ALL the money out of the hands of the needy and the working class, and INTO the hands of the wealthy, and the major Insurance Companies who know how best to manage it! 🙄
    you're an idiot.
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    05 Nov '09 17:361 edit
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    you're an idiot.
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    05 Nov '09 21:50
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    as usual you come up with these nonsensial attacks on capitalism.

    what does democracy have to do with anything?
    as for the "common man", I don't know what you're reffering to.
    What is wrong with being an elitist anyway?
  8. Subscriberkmax87
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    06 Nov '09 04:52
    Originally posted by Sartor Resartus
    What is wrong with being an elitist anyway?
    ....limited choice of friends..?
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    06 Nov '09 08:52
    Originally posted by kmax87
    ....limited choice of friends..?
    Quality rather than quantity.
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    06 Nov '09 18:29
    Originally posted by Sartor Resartus
    What is wrong with being an elitist anyway?
    who is being elitist?
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    07 Nov '09 20:30
    Governments should use free enterprise and free markets to help limit their controlling roles where practical considering policy options and politics that limit them.

    It is more efficient, more productive, and less wasteful. Contracting is one good way. The process should be transparent. The people would benefit from more pro-market innovations and reforms in the long-run.
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    08 Nov '09 09:47
    Originally posted by eljefejesus
    Governments should use free enterprise and free markets to help limit their controlling roles where practical considering policy options and politics that limit them.

    It is more efficient, more productive, and less wasteful. Contracting is one good way. The process should be transparent. The people would benefit from more pro-market innovations and reforms in the long-run.
    In what cases and why?
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