Russia warns invasion will get worse

@metal-brain said
Russia can pay for the war with oil money.
You are spewing complete nonsense. The Ruble is at a 7 year high. They have hyper sonic missiles and the USA does not. Look up Satan 2 missile. It is very advanced and we have nothing like it.

Come back to reality.

Hahaha idiot only the scared and weak brag about what they have.
If Putin thought for a second that Russia could survive a nuclear war we would have had one by now.

@kevcvs57 said
Hahaha idiot only the scared and weak brag about what they have.
If Putin thought for a second that Russia could survive a nuclear war we would have had one by now.

Nope. It is Russia's way of saying don't fark with us.

Russia has a first strike advantage. Every hyper sonic missile test the USA has done has failed. Nobody wants a nuclear war because of the radiation. That is why we have not had one yet.

@mchill said
Putin is just being honest. Everything he said makes perfect sense. His logic is flawless.



Wrong - Wrong and Wrong.

Putin is a former KGB Lt. Colonel who is desperately trying to recreate the old Soviet Union using an economy the size of Italy. It's not going to work. Yes, he has is a bunch of old Soviet era nukes, and a decent size conventional military force consis ...[text shortened]... ern weaponry into Ukraine's war effort. Putin is in no position whatsoever to start dictating terms.

mchill: Putin is in no position whatsoever to start dictating terms.

This comment is delusional given how the war is going. This article may be helpful: https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/06/russia-may-win-the-war-in-ukraine/

The longer it continues, the worse it will be for the Ukraine's bargaining position.

@kevcvs57 said
No I’m sure it won’t be the last of Putin’s attempts to emulate his favourite emperor but ultimately it depends on the price he has to pay in blood and treasure for attacking Ukraine.

Only if that blood is his own. He does provably not care about anyone else's.

@shallow-blue said
Only if that blood is his own. He does provably not care about anyone else's.

Well treasure then, we know he likes treasure and even autocrats have to worry about the body bags for progress ratio. It seems the Donbas is turning out to be costly for both sides.

@kevcvs57 said
Well treasure then, we know he likes treasure and even autocrats have to worry about the body bags for progress ratio. It seems the Donbas is turning out to be costly for both sides.

A war of attrition favors the side with about a 3:1 advantage in manpower.

@metal-brain said
Nope. It is Russia's way of saying don't fark with us.

Russia has a first strike advantage. Every hyper sonic missile test the USA has done has failed. Nobody wants a nuclear war because of the radiation. That is why we have not had one yet.

What like the drunken idiot in the bar that people laugh up their sleeves at.
NATO has been ‘messing’ with Putin since February without one NATO casualty we’ll see how much progress Putin makes toward NATOs eastern border when and if those longer range artillery pieces arrive in numbers, the few that have arrived have been quite effective at hitting military targets deep into the eastern Donbas already.
There was only one way for Putin to get a decisive victory in Ukraine and that was his original plan of taking Kiev in a matter of weeks or even days but his version of blitzkrieg turned into a 💩show and now he’s reverted to the only way he knows to win wars, by pounding civilian areas until there is nothing left for the defenders to hang on to, but soon the Russian occupiers in the Donbas might be on the end of the sane tactic.

@no1marauder said
A war of attrition favors the side with about a 3:1 advantage in manpower.

Do your homework, an attacking force needs at least that ratio to ensure success, the further he pushes into Ukraine the more vulnerable his supply chain will become and the more stretched his military will be.
Do you think that Putin is going to get Russians to volunteer for this adventure as easily as zelensky is going get volunteers from a populace that’s fighting for their very existence.
The older people that support Putin’s war at home are not any use on the actual frontline.

@kevcvs57 said
Do your homework, an attacking force needs at least that ratio to ensure success, the further he pushes into Ukraine the more vulnerable his supply chain will become and the more stretched his military will be.
Do you think that Putin is going to get Russians to volunteer for this adventure as easily as zelensky is going get volunteers from a populace that’s fighting for th ...[text shortened]... istence.
The older people that support Putin’s war at home are not any use on the actual frontline.

Generally the side that is winning has an easier time recruiting than the side that is losing.

Russia has a far larger advantage in every tangible military asset than 3:1 as the article I cited discusses. 70:1 in artillery and something like 60:1 in air sorties. Western "wonder weapons" in the quantities available are unlikely to change the dynamic.

@vivify said
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-says-russia-is-just-getting-started-in-ukraine-2022-7

"Putin revealed in June that one of his aims for the Ukraine war was expanding Russian territory. Speaking with students, he compared himself to Russia's first emperor, Peter the Great, and said they were both destined to grow Russia."

Ukraine will not be the last invasion.

I worry about 'NUKES.'

@no1marauder said
Generally the side that is winning has an easier time recruiting than the side that is losing.

Russia has a far larger advantage in every tangible military asset than 3:1 as the article I cited discusses. 70:1 in artillery and something like 60:1 in air sorties. Western "wonder weapons" in the quantities available are unlikely to change the dynamic.

Yeah that’s why the west needs to step up and supply Ukraine with what it needs.
You keep ignoring the fact that the Ukrainians have no where to go. It’s their territory and mire or less every able bodied man and woman is determined to fight.
Do you think that Putin is going to commit everything Russia has in order to occupy hostile territory, even if he can occupy anything like the whole of Ukraine he then has a well trained and well supplied insurgency to deal with for at least a generation
He may be as stupid as your implying he is but I doubt it. These recent comments tell me he has settled for more territory than he had before the invasion and especially the land corridor to Crimea and now he’s trying to get rid of the oblast that remains in the Donbas before he digs in and waits for the peace talks to begin in earnest.

@kevcvs57 said
Yeah that’s why the west needs to step up and supply Ukraine with what it needs.
You keep ignoring the fact that the Ukrainians have no where to go. It’s their territory and mire or less every able bodied man and woman is determined to fight.
Do you think that Putin is going to commit everything Russia has in order to occupy hostile territory, even if he can occupy anythin ...[text shortened]... last that remains in the Donbas before he digs in and waits for the peace talks to begin in earnest.

Throw more money at the problem? That is your solution?
Is inflation not high enough for you?

Inflation is how you will pay for it. Inflation is a tax.

@kevcvs57 said
Yeah that’s why the west needs to step up and supply Ukraine with what it needs.

While it's admirable the Ukrainians are willing to put their lives on the line to defend their home, it's a losing battle where citizens are dying, including children. A maternity hospital was bombed and so was a shopping center.

At what point do the cost of human lives outweigh nationalistic pride? Is fighting a clearly losing battle worth women and children being slaughtered? How many should be brutality murdered before it's enough?

I realize that it's not so simple: this is a matter of surrendering to a brutal dictator whose promises are not to be trusted. But look at Crimea: a bloodless takeover.

What is tragic in all this is that we don't often get to see the faces of elderly, the young, and innocent victims; we get to watch the horrific way their bodies are destroyed in these attacks; so we go on talking about this war like it's a sporting event of good vs. evil instead of understanding this is about human lives. We don't see them as people senselessly dying, they are merely numbers and statistics discussed on a forum.

I support the right of Ukrainians to defend their home. But they will only lose more of their homes and more of their lives while we root for them from the safety of our computers.

@vivify said
While it's admirable the Ukrainians are willing to put their lives on the line to defend their home, it's a losing battle where citizens are dying, including children. A maternity hospital was bombed and so was a shopping center.

At what point do the cost of human lives outweigh nationalistic pride? Is fighting a clearly losing battle worth women and children being slau ...[text shortened]... more of their homes and more of their lives while we root for them from the safety of our computers.

Russia is a democracy. Just because Biden called Putin a dictator does not make him one. Trump said the same thing about Maduro. That was a lie too.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2022/4/1/23006505/putins-approval-rating-in-russia-skyrocketed-after-ukraine-invasion-83-percent

Putin has always had public support in general. Now more than ever. Our presidents are just liars. How do you think the CIA were able to election meddle enough to get Yeltsin in?

@metal-brain said
Russia is a democracy. Just because Biden called Putin a dictator does not make him one. Trump said the same thing about Maduro. That was a lie too.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2022/4/1/23006505/putins-approval-rating-in-russia-skyrocketed-after-ukraine-invasion-83-percent

Putin has always had public support in general. Now more than ever. Our presidents are just liars. How do you think the CIA were able to election meddle enough to get Yeltsin in?

Every dictator has "public support". Saddam Hussein received 100 percent of the vote in his last election, so did Kim Jong-Un. You can be jailed in Russia for opposing Putin or murdered.