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Making two possibilities a reality,
Predicting the future of things we all know,
Fighting off the diseased programming
Of centuries, centuries, centuries, centuries.

Science fails to recognize the single most
Potent element of human existence
letting the reigns go to the unfolding
Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world
Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Science fails to recognize the single most
Potent element of human existence
letting the reigns go to the unfolding
Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
Spirit-moves-through-all-things (x6)

letting the reigns go to the unfolding
Is faith, faith, faith, faith
letting the reigns go to the unfolding
Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world
Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Spirit-moves-through-all-things (x12)
Science has failed our Mother Earth.



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Science hasn't failed me yet, it doesn't have all the answers yet, but it gives me a better understanding of the world in which i live than any religion.

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Comparing science with faith is like comparing spectacles to a blind man receiving directions from other blind men.

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What is there to discuss? It's a one-sided statement, and it doesn't seem to have a very good rythem, though I admit I don't know the music.

Whoever wrote this seems to think that science had some sort of role to fill and that it failed because it did nto count on faith. Now, I'm not one of the science zealots that haunt these threads and I believe I understand the power and importance of faith, yet I still say "hogwash" to this set of lyrics. Science is a process, a structure. It cannot discount faith; it cannot discount anything. It is a tool, nothing else. Some people deify science to the point of religion, and although I think that is wrong it is a completely different subject. No one can accuse science of anything. That is like accusing a hammer of pounding in a nail. Ridiculous.

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I can't understand science or religion but I'm perfectly content.
All you need is love.

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Originally posted by invigorate
I can't understand science or religion but I'm perfectly content.
All you need is love.
very sorry to hear about your band splitting up.

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Originally posted by kcams
Science hasn't failed me yet, it doesn't have all the answers yet, but it gives me a better understanding of the world in which i live than any religion.
So you believe.
Kelly

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Originally posted by thesonofsaul
What is there to discuss? It's a one-sided statement, and it doesn't seem to have a very good rythem, though I admit I don't know the music.

Whoever wrote this seems to think that science had some sort of role to fill and that it failed because it did nto count on faith. Now, I'm not one of the science zealots that haunt these threads and I bel ...[text shortened]... anything. That is like accusing a hammer of pounding in a nail. Ridiculous.

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It seems that some people disagree with you. 144 comments and counting...

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=32807

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Originally posted by Acolyte
It seems that some people disagree with you. 144 comments and counting...

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=32807
More than some. A lot of people disagree with me. All that tells me is that thinking isn't a priority in people.

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science is all around us, it is our tool for describing mother nature.

what about the computer your using to post you opinions on this debate, it has been developed using science. alot of people would like to discount science but it has brought more benifits then any religion i can think of

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Originally posted by soulby
science is all around us, it is our tool for describing mother nature.

what about the computer your using to post you opinions on this debate, it has been developed using science. alot of people would like to discount science but it has brought more benifits then any religion i can think of
I would say you do not have a grasp of either science or religion
if you believe mother nature is something special. I'd also say
that you'd get an argument from some people I know who frown
on technology as not science, I think they are brain dead for that
view but they have it. I believe it is their dislike for the way an
engineer thinks that bothers them. Besides, your computer and
the things that man have made with science doesn't matter where
people of disagree about science and religion, building a better
mouse trap and if God is real and alive are comparing apples
and oranges, as far as topics are concern.
Kelly

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I could have written an exact opposite song about religion, what's your point? Oh and singing the same line 12 times at the end! Who wrote this? 12 times! It's not exactly catchy is it?

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Originally posted by Starrman
I could have written an exact opposite song about religion, what's your point? Oh and singing the same line 12 times at the end! Who wrote this? 12 times! It's not exactly catchy is it?
Actually, that is the same tactic used in annoying commercials. The idea is: if you use the product name enough times it will get stuck in your head like a tick, sucking away all your self-control. Unfortunately, this stratagy works well on the masses, even after they are aware of it.

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Originally posted by KellyJay
I would say you do not have a grasp of either science or religion
if you believe mother nature is something special. I'd also say
that you'd get an argument from some people I know who frown
on technology as not science, I think they are brain dead for that
view but they have it. I believe it is their dislike for the way an
engineer thinks that bothe ...[text shortened]... if God is real and alive are comparing apples
and oranges, as far as topics are concern.
Kelly


Technology is picking up a rock to bash in your neighbor's head. Science develops a hypothesis concering the effectiveness of this act, tests the hypothesis, and eventually develops a theory. This theory then facilitates development of better shaped rocks, hammers, and projectiles that can penetrate thy neighbor's head. Science and technology exist in symbiosis; they advance one another.

Both science and technology have made wars more expensive in terms of simple cost/benefit analysis: we continue to increase the amount of money we must spend per battle death. But, we have also reduced the quantity of non-battle deaths. Whether science and technology has improved war, thus, depends on whether we adopt the viewpoint of the accountant or the viewpoint of the humanitarian.

Religion is the science of hypothesizing the ineffable, the unobservable, and the ultimate cause. It is tested through the experiences of those who are comforted by their beliefs. To say that religion has not aided humanity is absurd because millions, and perhaps even billions, of humans can testify to the contrary.

This time, it seems, I'm mostly in agreement with KellyJay.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr


Technology is picking up a rock to bash in your neighbor's head. Science develops a hypothesis concering the effectiveness of this act, tests the hypothesis, and eventually develops a theory. This theory then facilitates development of better shaped rocks, hammers, and projectiles that can penetrate thy neighbor's head. Science and technology exist in ...[text shortened]... s can testify to the contrary.

This time, it seems, I'm mostly in agreement with KellyJay.
Good point about technology, but perhaps calling religion a science is going a bit to far. Religion does not develop a hypothesis; instead it goes straight to the theory. . . wait, forget theory, it goes straight to the fact. Of course, there can be some hypothesizing within the bounds of a religion, but there is always something that is inarguable, a place where only faith reigns. Religion is seperate from science. Science is a tool, while religion is a way of life.

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