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The zionism that won in Israel is the one that claims Jews must have a fortress state of their own and put a gun to the heads of anti-semites (which everyone who remotely questions zionism is) and be safe that way. The extreme vengeance fueled response to october 7th was in large part caused by the fact they were shown that it's not possible. That you can't have security without justice, no matter how brutal you are in oppressing those you perceive as enemies. It wasn't about eradicating Hamas, it was about reestablishing the notion they can keep israelites safe by stomping on the palestinians. To reestablish the illusion that they are in control.
@zahlanzi saidSam Seder is a socialist. Most of them are idiots and Jew-haters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8isk_M5nU&ab_channel=TheMajorityReportw%2FSamSeder
The zionism that won in Israel is the one that claims Jews must have a fortress state of their own and put a gun to the heads of anti-semites (which everyone who remotely questions zionism is) and be safe that way. The extreme vengeance fueled response to october 7th was in large part cau ...[text shortened]... raelites safe by stomping on the palestinians. To reestablish the illusion that they are in control.
@earl-of-trumps saidMaybe next time the living Palestinians will think twice before killing and raping Jews.
The IDF cannot keep safe the 1,200 citizens that lost their lives, no matter how much the IDF pulverize the Palestinians.
@zahlanzi saidWords like "justice" and "security" are pretty words but fail in face of violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8isk_M5nU&ab_channel=TheMajorityReportw%2FSamSeder
The zionism that won in Israel is the one that claims Jews must have a fortress state of their own and put a gun to the heads of anti-semites (which everyone who remotely questions zionism is) and be safe that way. The extreme vengeance fueled response to october 7th was in large part cau ...[text shortened]... raelites safe by stomping on the palestinians. To reestablish the illusion that they are in control.
1,200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, and over 200 hostages taken by Hamas. No matter how much you can rationalize Hamas' attack, the decision to use violence as your answer will only breed more violence.
Is the blockade inhumane? Absolutely. Is stealing is moving Israelis into homes stolen from Palestinians deplorable? No question. Is the answer then to murder scores of civilians as punishment for the Israeli government's actions? No.
From the beginning Palestine's answer to unfair treatment was violence, which Israel responded to. As the power imbalance between the two grew Palestine has never stopped using violence, despite being outmatched.
If attacks from Palestine ceased, so would Israeli attacks. The blockade would never have been erected if not the threat of violence.
"Oh, so just let Israel continue being a land-stealing apartheid state???"
Well, violence clearly isn't the answer. Not only violence not the answer, not only does it sand zero chance ever working, it only makes things worse for Palestinians.
@shavixmir saidJews tend to be capitalists.
Why do you think socialists hate Jews?
I’m pretty sure one’s religion doesn’t really play any part in any socialist’s mind.
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@vivify saidI agree with your analysis here. The only thing I am wary of saying is they are stealing land. Im sure they are, but not every case of this accusation is true. Its like I believe that there are aliens on other planets, but Im not going to believe every claim that one was spotted.
Words like "justice" and "security" are pretty words but fail in face of violence.
1,200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, and over 200 hostages taken by Hamas. No matter how much you can rationalize Hamas' attack, the decision to use violence as your answer will only breed more violence.
Is the blockade inhumane? Absolutely. Is stealing is moving Israelis into ho ...[text shortened]... answer, not only does it sand zero chance ever working, it only makes things worse for Palestinians.
So far many claims of land stealing and grabbing has surfaced.... eg
- they say Jews came in early 1900s and stole land, when the truth is they purchased land.
- in 1948 they say the Jews made a deal with the British to give land to the Jews which was owned by Arabs, when the truth is the land was fairly partitioned by the UN.
- in the case of the Negev Bedouins, the claim is that they were chased out of their farm land when the truth is that they were squatters and were relocated into settlements instead of roaming all over the place.
Also the homes of terrorists are destroyed and in some cases even the village if it is the case that the village celebrates the action of the terrorist. In this current situation there is going to be a big backlash after the war is over. All these Hamas people and even their families are going to die. They cannot hide. Mossad will take them out one by one and destroy their property as well. It is rumoured that most of them are hiding in other countries.
So this land-grabbing accusation has to be seen from both sides.
@rajk999 saidfirst of all, being a socialist is not the insult you think it is.
Sam Seder is a socialist. Most of them are idiots and Jew-haters.
second of all, thanks for proving my point. criticizing israel for killing around 20000 palestinians is jew hating, huh?
go fuk yourself you ghoul
@rajk999 saidBedouins were in the Negev before long before 1948. At least since the 1800s, and according to some sources, 1400s.
So far many claims of land stealing and grabbing has surfaced.... eg
- they say Jews came in early 1900s and stole land, when the truth is they purchased land.
- in 1948 they say the Jews made a deal with the British to give land to the Jews which was owned by Arabs, when the truth is the land was fairly partitioned by the UN.
- in the case of the Negev Bedouins, the cl ...[text shortened]... and destroy their property as well. It is rumoured that most of them are hiding in other countries.
You claim Israel evicting terrorists: how do they determine whose a "terrorist"? Why also expel the women children? It seems you're not using objective sources.
Jews purchased land? Didn't know that. Which land *specifically* was purchased? Was it East Jerusalem? Was it the Negev? I don't see Arabs selling land they consider holy nor do I see Jews paying for desert. I looked this up and the only thing I could find is that no new land has been purchased by the Jews in that area since 1948.
The British declaration to give Jews land was never legally binding. It was used as consideration for the Palestine Mandate but that mandate was dropped by the UN. You'd have more of a point if Britain made the decision regarding who gets the land but thy handed the decision over to the UN. The UN. resolution to partition the land also wasn't legally binding because the UN Security council never voted on it (which is needed for a resolution such Resolution 181 to be adopted)..
Israel's borders are still disputed territory, though as time goes by it becomes less so.
@vivify saidit makes me sad you are now spewing right wing talking points.
Words like "justice" and "security" are pretty words but fail in face of violence.
1,200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, and over 200 hostages taken by Hamas. No matter how much you can rationalize Hamas' attack, the decision to use violence as your answer will only breed more violence.
Is the blockade inhumane? Absolutely. Is stealing is moving Israelis into ho ...[text shortened]... answer, not only does it sand zero chance ever working, it only makes things worse for Palestinians.
hamas, a terrorist organization, does terrorism. Israel kills 20000 people, half of them children. With the complicity of the US. Indiscriminately. Just carpet bombing a densely packed area, while the leadership of hamas is hiding in Quatar anyway.
If someone takes some hostages in a mall in the US, do you bomb the entire town?
You have on one side a terrorist organization with pipe bombs. And you have on the other side a terrorist organization with actual bombs.
"From the beginning Palestine's answer to unfair treatment was violence, which Israel responded to. "
Disproportianetly. Savagely. Like if a child kicks you in the balls, and then you proceed to hack him to death with a machete. Actually wait. not even that. You go to his neighborhood and you kill the child's neighbours. Then you blockade the neighborhood. You bomb the neighborhood's clinic. You stop water and electricity to that neighborhood.
While the parents of that child, the ones who told the child to kick you, are in another country and they have several other children. And can recruit more from the neighborhood you just bombed,
And then you turn to the world and say "the child started it".
"If attacks from Palestine ceased, so would Israeli attacks."
Israeli attacks have never ceased. Palestinians have been pushed back constantly since 1948. Their homes have been stolen. They have little to no rights. They are second class citizens. They almost can't even get building permits, so their "illegal" homes can be demolished and have been at any time. Why is it upon then to unilateraly stop any violence when they are being oppressed.
Are you actually deluded enough to think Israel is only responding to Hamas attacks? Or, given the fact that you admit it is an apartheid state, you don't actually consider opressing a people as actual violence?
"Not only violence not the answer, not only does it sand zero chance ever working, it only makes things worse for Palestinians."
Israel, given the fact that they are bombing indiscriminately right now, clearly doesn't adhere to this notion.
I am disappointed in you.
@vivify saidOh sorry, i forgot.
Words like "justice" and "security" are pretty words but fail in face of violence.
1,200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, and over 200 hostages taken by Hamas. No matter how much you can rationalize Hamas' attack, the decision to use violence as your answer will only breed more violence.
Is the blockade inhumane? Absolutely. Is stealing is moving Israelis into ho ...[text shortened]... answer, not only does it sand zero chance ever working, it only makes things worse for Palestinians.
Since you are now using right wing talking points i forgot to preface my point with the obligatory mantra, lest you or others stamp me as anti-semite and hamas sympathizer.
"I condemn Hamas, Hamas is a terrorist organization. Hamas bad"
@zahlanzi saidzahlooney bambooozles post can be summarised thusly: left wing talking points.
it makes me sad you are now spewing right wing talking points.
hamas, a terrorist organization, does terrorism. Israel kills 20000 people, half of them children. With the complicity of the US. Indiscriminately. Just carpet bombing a densely packed area, while the leadership of hamas is hiding in Quatar anyway.
If someone takes some hostages in a mall in the US, do you ...[text shortened]... riminately right now, clearly doesn't adhere to this notion.
I am disappointed in you.
Israel is not an apartheid state many races and religions co-exist peacefully within it's borders. Apartheid is state discrimination on the basis of race. Palestinian is not a race. Muslim is not a race.
You can reply to this relevant succinct demolition of your left wing talking point, just say you didn't look at whose post this was. Say you thought you were replying to suziman or something.
@shavixmir saidsocialist tend to ride with the CAUSE AT THE MOMENT. It’s not been long socialist we’re siding with women, now that men pretending to be women is main stream they are siding with them at the expense of women.
Why do you think socialists hate Jews?
I’m pretty sure one’s religion doesn’t really play any part in any socialist’s mind.
Socialist see strength in numbers, they side with any cause to appear stronger than they are. hollering racism is another of their traits for the same reason