@no1marauder saidI was/am writing about the government of our citizens controlling our citizens. You attempt to make Sue and McHll think I am writing about people who are not citizens of our government? Is that what you are doing? THOSE people we should control from Hell and Back.
Does rounding up 10 to 12 million people and putting them in concentration camps equal "very minimal government control" in your mind?
As father of my family, I control it. If 20 people break into my house and I round them up and put them in a big cage till the cops arrive, I control hell out them. They invade my house, I can do anything I want to with them. Control them, feed them bread and water.
Why so contentious? It is a KNOWN fact that libs are all about more govt, I make the point, trying my best to bring Sonhouse into the factual world, and you jump in with this silliness. Can you just not acknowledge that fact, and render your thinking of why govt control of its citizens is a good thing? I am dyng to hear it. I sure wont hear it from Sonhouse.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThe Framers did not draw any distinction between the Natural Rights of citizens and others. They did not even have any laws restricting entry into the country. Your constant dehumanizing of persons who are mainly refugees from poverty and oppression and who's strongest wish is to become productive citizens (as tens, or perhaps hundreds of millions, have become over the history of this country) show that you want government to be a tool of tyranny.
I was/am writing about the government of our citizens controlling our citizens. You attempt to make Sue and McHll think I am writing about people who are not citizens of our government? Is that what you are doing? THOSE people we should control from Hell and Back.
As father of my family, I control it. If 20 people break into my house and I round them up and put t ...[text shortened]... control of its citizens is a good thing? I am dyng to hear it. I sure wont hear it from Sonhouse.
In general, "liberals" recognize that unrestricted capitalism is detrimental to the health and well-being of the People and propose measures that deal with the negative externalities that it produces. Right wingers want the rich and powerful to keep their boots firmly on the neck of the working and middle classes both economically and, if necessary, literally. They also support the maintaining of a massive and wasteful military machine intervening all over the world.
"Minimal governmental control"? BS. That's not even getting into your wishes to allow States to put women in prison for having abortions, to pass laws saying who can compete in sporting events, to declare being homeless a crime etc. etc. etc. etc.
@no1marauder saidI know little of Natural Rights, as they do not exist and no one ever talks about it. If they were actually natural they would be part of and recognized by all societies. There are many separate cultures, which I have written about, that, are difficult to mix. Some find it acceptable to have a natural right to cut off the hand of a thief. That is their natural right. Specific rights, but are they inherent rights? To us they are not, so, not 'shared' rights. Next you will tell us that each society has different natural rights and give us all a headache.
The Framers did not draw any distinction between the Natural Rights of citizens and others. They did not even have any laws restricting entry into the country. Your constant dehumanizing of persons who are mainly refugees from poverty and oppression and who's strongest wish is to become productive citizens (as tens, or perhaps hundreds of millions, have become over the hi ...[text shortened]... aws saying who can compete in sporting events, to declare being homeless a crime etc. etc. etc. etc.
@no1marauder saidWere there wars fought when other countries came over can crossed boundaries? When the states were established there was a distinction between them, and when citizenship carried obligations and requirements identifying who was and wasn't became necessary.
The Framers did not draw any distinction between the Natural Rights of citizens and others. They did not even have any laws restricting entry into the country. Your constant dehumanizing of persons who are mainly refugees from poverty and oppression and who's strongest wish is to become productive citizens (as tens, or perhaps hundreds of millions, have become over the hi ...[text shortened]... aws saying who can compete in sporting events, to declare being homeless a crime etc. etc. etc. etc.
@KellyJay saidI don't get Marauder's game here. He should get Russ to open up a Philosophy Forum, maybe?
Were there wars fought when other countries came over can crossed boundaries? When the states were established there was a distinction between them, and when citizenship carried obligations and requirements identifying who was and wasn't became necessary.
We have important things to write about. We have a pres candidate whose website has not ONE bit of her projected policy on it. Look it up. The NC citizens will be first to vote (mail-in ballots) in a couple weeks, and have no way of knowing what they are voting on. Note there seems to be no problem with that for our lib friends. Unbelievable.
@KellyJay saidThe armed forces of other countries - Yes.
Were there wars fought when other countries came over can crossed boundaries? When the states were established there was a distinction between them, and when citizenship carried obligations and requirements identifying who was and wasn't became necessary.
People fleeing oppression and poverty from other countries - No.
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@AverageJoe1 saidDoes rounding up 10 to 12 million people and putting them in concentration camps equal "very minimal government control" in your mind?
I was/am writing about the government of our citizens controlling our citizens. You attempt to make Sue and McHll think I am writing about people who are not citizens of our government? Is that what you are doing? THOSE people we should control from Hell and Back.
As father of my family, I control it. If 20 people break into my house and I round them up and put t ...[text shortened]... control of its citizens is a good thing? I am dyng to hear it. I sure wont hear it from Sonhouse.
You wrote this question. You see my answer just above. Do you think that I do not have a right to 'control' the 20 people that I write about?
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@AverageJoe1 saidI think you are a bigoted idiot who admits he doesn't even know the principles on which this nation was founded.
Does rounding up 10 to 12 million people and putting them in concentration camps equal "very minimal government control" in your mind?
You wrote this question. You see my answer just above. Do you think that I do not have a right to 'control' the 20 people that I write about?
The idea that the US should create a gulag that would dwarf in size anything the Soviet dictators had while proclaiming you are for "minimal governmental control" is hilariously stupid.
