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  1. Zugzwang
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    15 Jan '17 21:143 edits
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/14/donald-trump-not-normal-president-congress-theresa-may

    "Don’t treat Donald Trump as if he’s a normal president. He’s not:
    From the US Congress to Theresa May, everyone needs to understand that
    when the next president takes office the usual rules will no longer apply."
    --Jonathan Freedland (14 January 2017)

    "For critics, this poses a conundrum. Too often they deal with Trump as if he is a normal
    politician, constrained by the usual conventions, including embarrassment at being
    caught in a lie. But Trump is not a normal politician. He has no shame. While most
    politicians blush if exposed as inconsistent, let alone dishonest, Trump is unembarrassable.
    Even Nixon tried to squirm and wriggle his way into a sentence that could be parsed as truth.
    Trump, hailed as the God Emperor by his supporters, simply attacks whichever little boy
    dares say he’s wearing no clothes – before going on to accuse the child of being a “failing pile of garbage”."

    Given his long record of reprehensible conduct, why wait for US President Trump to do more of it before responding?
    It's not too early to start protesting against US President Trump in every way possible.
  2. Behind the scenes
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    15 Jan '17 21:521 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/14/donald-trump-not-normal-president-congress-theresa-may

    "Don’t treat Donald Trump as if he’s a normal president. He’s not:
    From the US Congress to Theresa May, everyone needs to understand that
    when the next president takes office the usual rules will no longer apply."
    --Jonathan Freedland (14 J ...[text shortened]... nding?
    It's not too early to start protesting against US President Trump in every way possible.
    I am not a Trump supporter, and would never vote for him. Whatever one thinks of him personally however, Donald Trump did win the election fairly and therefore should be treated like a "normal" US President. In addition, I am reluctant to judge any President elect before he takes the oath of office.

    Respectfully,

    The horrible, lying, racist troll - mchill
  3. Germany
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    15 Jan '17 21:57
    Originally posted by mchill
    I am not a Trump supporter, and would never vote for him. Whatever one thinks of him personally however, Donald Trump did win the election fairly and therefore should be treated like a "normal" US President. In addition, I am reluctant to judge any President elect before he takes the oath of office.

    Respectfully,

    The horrible, lying, racist troll - mchill
    Donald Trump has a 70-year record on which to base judgement. You don't come across as open-minded by ignoring it.
  4. Zugzwang
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    15 Jan '17 22:03
    Originally posted by mchill
    I am not a Trump supporter, and would never vote for him. Whatever one thinks of him personally however, Donald Trump did win the election fairly and therefore should be treated like a "normal" US President. In addition, I am reluctant to judge any President before he takes the oath of office.

    Respectfully,

    The horrible, lying, racist troll - mchill
    Donald Trump's far from being a 'blank slate' and should *not* be treated accordingly.
    He has many years of very objectionable statements and actions on the record (about which he routinely lies).

    In fact, Donald Trump already has expressed profound disdain for the rights of many people
    (including US citizens) in the United States. Why should these people respect (or pretend
    to respect) President Trump when he already has shown such profound disdain for them?
    Respect is not a one-way street. It does not mandate that all people render unconditional
    obedience and adulation to the Great Leader.

    In fact, from the start of Barack Obama's presidency in 2009, the Republican Party pursued
    a single-minded policy of doing its utmost to block about everything that he sought.
    Why should the Democratic Party not act similarly toward Donald Trump?

    There's a long record of plausible allegations that Donald Trump has sexually assaulted women.
    Should any sensible woman (for which Mchill would have no empathy) pretend that all
    that does not exist before she had a private meeting alone with Donald Trump?
  5. Zugzwang
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    15 Jan '17 22:05
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra to Mchill
    Donald Trump has a 70-year record on which to base judgement. You don't come across as open-minded by ignoring it.
    The troll Mchill seems particularly motivated to ignore Donald Trump's record of lying,
    racism, and sexism (including many allegations of sexual assault).

    Would Mchill also say that Hitler should *not* be criticized until after he became Germany's leader?
  6. Behind the scenes
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    15 Jan '17 22:19
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The troll Mchill seems particularly motivated to ignore Donald Trump's record of lying,
    racism, and sexism (including many allegations of sexual assault).

    Would Mchill also say that Hitler should *not* be criticized until after he became Germany's leader?
    Duchess - I'll try to ignore your usual insults, and point out that your original question was: Should Donald Trump be Treated like a Normal US President? My answer is "Yes" in the legal sense because he did win the election. Personally I think Donald trump is a repulsive, arrogant man who's values do not reflect my own, and I do plan to criticize him a great deal, AFTER he assumes the oath of office. Donald Trump has done nothing as President of the United States, since he is not yet President, and I refuse to criticize some's actions that have yet to take place. 🙂
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    15 Jan '17 22:561 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    Duchess - I'll try to ignore your usual insults, and point out that your original question was: Should Donald Trump be Treated like a Normal US President? My answer is "Yes" in the legal sense because he did win the election. Personally I think Donald trump is a repulsive, arrogant man who's values do not reflect my own, and I do plan to criticize him a great ...[text shortened]... e is not yet President, and I refuse to criticize some's actions that have yet to take place. 🙂
    KazetNagorra and I have pointed out some facts about Mchill's disingenuous willfully blind act.
    We have pointed out that there *already* are ample reasons to condemn Donald Trump.
    But Mchill apparently prefers to pretend that all this evidence does not exist.

    Mchill apparently prefers to act as though Donald Trump should *not* be held responsible
    at all for his many reprehensible statements, promises, and actions during his campaign.
    Mchill seems to act as though there's nothing wrong with Donald Trump proclaiming that
    he will exclude all Muslims from entering the USA because he was just lying about it in
    order to whip up anti-Muslim bigotry or because someone else (such as the US Supreme
    Court) might eventually be able to stop him from keeping his promise.
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    15 Jan '17 23:05
    Originally posted by mchill
    I am not a Trump supporter, and would never vote for him. Whatever one thinks of him personally however, Donald Trump did win the election fairly and therefore should be treated like a "normal" US President. In addition, I am reluctant to judge any President elect before he takes the oath of office.

    Respectfully,

    The horrible, lying, racist troll - mchill
    "Donald Trump did win the election fairly and therefore should be treated like a "normal" US President"
    yes, and? nobody is saying americans should start a revolution and overthrow him.
    what people are saying is that, him being an abnormal politician who WILL screw the US, you can't treat him like you did obama or bush or clinton, with a "let's see how things will turn out" attitude.

    he will eventually lie in a manner that is impeachable. he will eventually break a law that would land anyone else in jail. you must assume this and worst so you be ready to act accordingly.

    " I am reluctant to judge any President elect before he takes the oath of office. "
    why? because you can't understand what he did during the election?
    can't understand his cabinet picks, what they mean?
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    15 Jan '17 23:07
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The troll Mchill seems particularly motivated to ignore Donald Trump's record of lying,
    racism, and sexism (including many allegations of sexual assault).

    Would Mchill also say that Hitler should *not* be criticized until after he became Germany's leader?
    try harder to discuss his post, not what you think of him, especially if you have no proof.
  10. Zugzwang
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    15 Jan '17 23:132 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    try harder to discuss his post, not what you think of him, especially if you have no proof.
    Mchill's evident position is that Donald Trump should not be condemned until after he becomes US President.
    KazetNagorra and I pointed out that there already are ample reasons to condemn Donald Trump.
    Although he presumably would deny it, Mchill's really an apologist for Donald Trump.

    My question to Mchill about his attitude toward Hitler was motivated by curiosity about
    how far he would go to excuse a politician's reprehensible conduct before taking power.
    I made no assumption about how Mchill would answer that question, which he evaded.
  11. Standard memberDeepThought
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    15 Jan '17 23:50
    Originally posted by mchill
    I am not a Trump supporter, and would never vote for him. Whatever one thinks of him personally however, Donald Trump did win the election fairly and therefore should be treated like a "normal" US President. In addition, I am reluctant to judge any President elect before he takes the oath of office.

    Respectfully,

    The horrible, lying, racist troll - mchill
    Given his election team's alleged collusion with Russia in their interference in the election it is not clear that he did win the election fairly. There is a methodology of warfare known as lawfare, essentially the idea is to use the legal system to undermine an adversary, not because they are necessarily guilty of any wrong doing, but as an abuse of the legal system [1]. Donald Trump's election victory may represent a 4th generation attack [2].

    Regarding judging him before he has taken office. That's the problem isn't it? Had he held any public office before his election then he would have an administrative track record on which he could be judged.

    On the bright side, unless the tapes that the FSB have are more shocking than revelations so far indicate fears that he can be blackmailed are receding since we already know.

    So people know what the terms I'm using mean:

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_warfare
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    16 Jan '17 03:20
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Donald Trump has a 70-year record on which to base judgement. You don't come across as open-minded by ignoring it.
    I don't remember him letting in millions of illegals, nor forcing obamacare down our throats, nor appointing 50 communist czars, or covering up all his records, nor forging a fake birth certificate, nor having disdain for our troops, nor saying he would side with his muslim brothers before Christians, nor attending a hateful church where the Minister said God d... America, nor being a follower of Saul alinsky, nor... well that is enough for now, I do have to get some sleep tonight...
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    You think the pussy snowflakes are gonna start a revolution. They are to busy in their safe space cry rooms coloring books and hugging their stuffed animals. And when the commie soros eats it no more money for blm, splc etc. They will hopefully crawl back under the rocks they came from.
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    16 Jan '17 05:18
    Originally posted by mchill
    I am not a Trump supporter, and would never vote for him. Whatever one thinks of him personally however, Donald Trump did win the election fairly and therefore should be treated like a "normal" US President. In addition, I am reluctant to judge any President elect before he takes the oath of office.

    Respectfully,

    The horrible, lying, racist troll - mchill
    The Republicans stripped voter rolls in 26 states of up to 7 million registered voters who happened to be black, hispanic or asian, and you can sit there and claim that the election of Trump was fair and legitimate?

    I don't call that fair. Far from it.
  15. Germany
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    16 Jan '17 07:32
    Here's what a normal U.S. president wouldn't do: slam NATO and the EU. Donnie's on a roll, and his pro-Russian propaganda won't cease until he does. Congress had better get to work.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-15/trump-calls-nato-obsolete-and-dismisses-eu-in-german-interview
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