I love animals. Every spring since 1972 my wife and I have raised many orphaned and injured baby animals and released them whenever they act like they're ready to go. We live in southern Michigan on 40 acres of woods, creek and meadows, surrounded by more of the same. The orphans we raise aren't orphaned and/or injured by hunters. They're orphaned/injured by motorists for the most part. Hunters aren't a problem. Animals understand hunters. Automobiles and subdivisions are the problem. I don't hunt but I like firearms, particularly concealable handguns, and I do kill several sick and diseased animals each year, usually foxes and raccoons with distemper. It's important to learn to kill quickly and cleanly and with respect for the life you take. And it's a lesson everyone should learn at an early age. Hunting is very well regulated and isn't the problem. Hunters are not the problem. Motorists and highways are far more cruel and a far greater problem for wildlife.
Originally posted by DelmerI agree.
I love animals. Every spring since 1972 my wife and I have raised many orphaned and injured baby animals and released them whenever they act like they're ready to go. We live in southern Michigan on 40 acres of woods, creek and meadows, surrounded by more of the same. The orphans we raise aren't orphaned and/or injured by hunters. They're orphaned/injured ...[text shortened]... the problem. Motorists and highways are far more cruel and a far greater problem for wildlife.
If you're going to hunt though its important to have respect for not just the animal, but, the environment, etc.... Most hunters and those that fish, make considerable donations to the presevation of land and the environment. Considerable revenue from hunting licenses goes towards protected land, parks and fish & wildlife habitats.
Originally posted by sasquatch672LOL! Thank you, SQ, the feeling is mutual. (Okay, now which one of you posters is going to be first to say, "For God's sake, guys, rent a room!"😉
Hello, Del, it's good to see you again in the forums. And once again, the more I learn about you, the fonder of you I grow.
Originally posted by the dominatorEating a carcus (sp???) in plain sight! You call that innocent? What right did the lion have to kill a poor, helpless little animal? Is that his idea of fun?? The animal was probably walking along, minding its own business, when BAM!!!!! the jaws of the lion closed around its neck. What a horrific, cruel act.
i watched this tape of a lion innocently eating a carcus when suddenly bam!!! it was shot in the head and died in seconds,
The lion was shot because he was a damned murderer.
Originally posted by sasquatch672Outside your age range!!!!! Age discrimination!!!! And maybe plumbing discrimination too! I'm calling Calhoun and Cochran, Attorneys-at-Law.
Del, I hate to break it to ya, and to those other smartasses out there, but not only do you have the wrong plumbing, you're a little outside my age range. All of you would-be titterers can just keep going.
Every time the urban wackos open their mouths about innocent animals, I dread the day I stopped hunting.
At least I still fish.
The bow hunters who think their methods are more sporting are like fly anglers: we share the same arrogance, but it is still BS. Nevertheless, there are differences between guided hunts on reserves (where blood "sport" amounts to assured killing) and careful stalking of fully wild creatures with primitive tools.
The ethics of hunting and fishing stem from the recognition that humans are predators. Those who think we sould do no harm overlook that plants have feelings too. Seek balance, not absolutes. You kill it, you eat it.
If killing is wrong, then so is procreation; everything that takes a breath will die.
You're not one of those morons that shoots wolves are you?
Damn it, I'm orginally from North-Central Idaho so I am quite familiar with hunting. I've gone deer hunting and bird hunting in the past, though I don't find any enjoyment in hunting now.
person now get more prison time for killing a wolf, then if he kills a person
Would you provide some evidence from the law for this? So far, in reading the Endangered Species Act, this is all that I have found.
Penalties and Enforcement (ESA § 11). Criminal penalties of up to $50,000 or imprisonment for one year, or both, and civil penalties of up to $25,000 per violation, may be assessed against a person who knowingly violates, or a person engaged in business as an importer or exporter of fish, wildlife or plants who violates, a provision of the Act or its regulations relating to: importing or exporting, taking, possessing, selling, delivering, carrying, transporting, or shipping after taking; participating in interstate or foreign commerce or any commercial activity of any endangered species of fish, wildlife or plants in violation of CITES; engaging
I'd love to hear from No1 on this, but most of the places I've been looking the minimum penalty for first-degree murder is 25 years and 10 years for second-degree.
So I don't see right now how your claim can be true. Certainly you can get fined out the ass for killing endangered species, but it doesn't seem that you can go to jail longer for murdering a wolf than for murdering a human.
Originally posted by the dominatorWhat you have described is not hunting. It is more comparable to working the killing floor of a slaughter house. You have been misinformed about hunting. You should read publications by groups that have an unbiased outlook on the matter…..like the NRA (JK).
i watched this tape of a lion innocently eating a carcus when suddenly bam!!! it was shot in the head and died in seconds,
Personaly,i think its slaughter? i mean ur not really hunting the animal, if you've just payed for it. what satisfaction does a hunter get out of shooting a an animal, i mean its just a click of a trigger and its dead? wat is t ...[text shortened]... and poaching that some animals are leading towards extinction!!!
what are your comments???
If you want to find an honest account of what hunting does for the ecology go and visit the site of the DNR (Department of Natural Recourses), they have articles that may interest you.
I could give you all kinds of cliché reasons for the importance of hunting, but it is a matter for the individual. Hunting is a serious business and there is no room for shenanigans.
I run dogs for vermin that get into livestock feed and kill chickens and cause other types of destructive mayhem.
I also have been known to take a deer or two, and wing a few grouse from the hip, LOL.
Every year for the price of camping trip and a hunting license, I fill my freezer with about seven or eight hundred pounds of elk meat and venison. That's about $150. I also go on vacation and fish in the ocean taking plenty of dolphin(mahi mahi for those of you that think I'm talking about the mammal), grouper, snook and others.
Do you think it is better to eat meat that is pumped full of growth hormones and other drugs? Do you think that these incisors were meant for eating carrots? They are ripping and tearing teeth, not grinding teeth. We are omnivores, not herbivores.
And if you eat meat and think that hunting is cruel, you should take a look at a chicken ranch or a pig sty. You won't eat chicken or pig again.
Get off of your high horse. Not all hunters bait lions and shoot them. Go out in the wild and try to get close enough to an elk to shoot it.
We have killed off most of the predators of elk and deer and antelope in the US. Sure there still are coyotes, wolves and mountain lions, but not on the scale that there were a hundred years ago. Without those predators these other creatures would multiply and eat themselves out of their food sources. It would also create a disease situation that would make hunting look much more like the humane choice.
Do a bit of research on conservation before you post such silly things as "Should hunting be made illegal"
I agree with most of the opinions expressed so far. Not all hunting should be illegal. If some one wants to hunt for meat, then by all means go out and get a legal quantity. This should be done expediently and with as little suffering to the animal as possible. If you are going to hunt, you should use every advantage technology affords within the law that do not cause damage to non-target creatures. So no nukes, no poison, no traps. Please use scopes, high-powered rifles, scent, tree stands, salt licks, whatever. As long as the growth in the supply of animals can meet the demand of hunters, then let them use these devices.
Now enjoying hunting is another matter. I personally believe that waking up in the morning and thinking excitedly, "Today I shall take pleasure in ridding the earth of some beautiful creatures," is on par with shooting down song birds and blowing up reptiles. This is especially true of big game trophy hunting.
So for all those people who love the meat of wild game, I say do it. Do it legally. Do it ethically.
My "beef" is with the big meat industry. That's part of why I am a vegetarian.
Originally posted by telerionFirst of all I dont shoot Wolves, I may get a chance though somtimes as the feds are giving permits out to ppl who has their livestock in danger
You're not one of those morons that shoots wolves are you?
Damn it, I'm orginally from North-Central Idaho so I am quite familiar with hunting. I've gone deer hunting and bird hunting in the past, though I don't find any enjoyment in hunting now.
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2nd, I used to live In northern centeral ID too
3rd, Actually under Wyoming Law, Anything Used to Vialate G&F laws are taken from the person, (I had a neihbor who lost His Helicopter after he shot from it) Plus the federal Fines, And Lawsuits from Animal Activist,
But Im going to say that your right, that Killing a person would be more Prison time in most cases, when I say that, Im using a term that is commonly used here, I hope you understand that,
And I wasnt refering to murdering somone. I was refering about Homacide
Hope that helps clear things up
Ben
Thanks for clearing that up.
What part of idaho?
I've lived for short periods (less than 3 years in each) in Athol, (near Couer d' Alene), Lewiston, Clarkston, and Spokane; but I lived in Elk City, ID, for about 11 years.
Edit: If a wolf attacks lifestock, then unfortunately the wolf must be put down. In my opinion, this should be done either by Fish & Game or maybe by contracted citizens like your describing.
Originally posted by telerionI used to live in Plummer ID, about 30 miles south from Courer d lane,
Thanks for clearing that up.
What part of idaho?
I've lived for short periods (less than 3 years in each) in Athol, (near Couer d' Alene), Lewiston, Clarkston, and Spokane; but I lived in Elk City, ID, for about 11 years.
Edit: If a wolf attacks lifestock, then unfortunately the wolf must be put down. In my opinion, this should be done either by Fish & Game or maybe by contracted citizens like your describing.
A agree with your edit, except I would change the word "Unfortunately" to the word "Fortunately" lol, I have seen The elk and deer herds drop big time as a result of of the wolves. because of "Progress," buildings, and less land, ect. for the wildlife, The animals already have a touph time surviving. They were killed in the first place for a reason