should this man be arrested?

@sh76 said
No; not arrested. He's close to the line, but not over it. What he said was still protected by the First Amendment.

He is an evil person, though, IMO, and is representing his movement in a way that should turn off most people.

“He's close to the line, but not over it. What he said was still protected by the First Amendment. ”

How is telling folks to kill someone protected speech?

how is it “close to the line”?

@Mott-The-Hoople said
“He's close to the line, but not over it. What he said was still protected by the First Amendment. ”

How is telling folks to kill someone protected speech?

how is it “close to the line”?

Even if he did "tell folks to kill" (which is unclear), he did so in a way that was theoretical and abstract. There was no imminency to the threat. That's the main reason it's protected under Brandenburg.

Let's say I'm protesting covid vaccine mandates in 2021. Imagine I got up at a rally and say "let's see how Fauci likes it when we bust into his house and inject him with foreign substances"

Is that protected under the First Amendment? It is. Because there's nothing imminent and the threat was abstract and uncertain.

"See the guy in the red shirt? He's a Nazi. Get him!"

Now THAT's incitement.

This? No, doesn't go far enough.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
so you dont consider killing someone because the killed one of you is not a threat or a suggestion to kill?

Did he mean to protest peacefully? Well if you had included ALL he said you would have the answer…no.

What hawk newsome said in its entirety..,

“
“Like everybody else has vigilantes, we need some black vigilantes,” Newsome said. “People want to jump up ...[text shortened]... ople hold community events and talk about what you need.”[/b]

what do you think he meant by that?

Oo, community events to talk about what you need.

Can"t let black folks "threaten" racists like yourself by doing that.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
quote Trump on inciting violence…I await your response.

"IF you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore" at the "Stop the Steal" rally followed within minutes by thousands of those who heard those words attacking police to break into the Capitol and disrupt the EC count may very well breach the Brandenburg standard while Newsome's remarks clearly don't.

@no1marauder said
"IF you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore" at the "Stop the Steal" rally followed within minutes by thousands of those who heard those words attacking police to break into the Capitol and disrupt the EC count may very well breach the Brandenburg standard while Newsome's remarks clearly don't.

why are you leaving out where Trump said “peacefully”?

@Mott-The-Hoople said
why are you leaving out where Trump said “peacefully”?

I gave a direct quote. He said many things just like that in the speech, then threw in one off hand comment about "peacefully".

Tell me, how was that crowd going to "stop the steal" by "fighting like hell" on January 6, 2021 without violence?

@sh76 said
Even if he did "tell folks to kill" (which is unclear), he did so in a way that was theoretical and abstract. There was no imminency to the threat. That's the main reason it's protected under Brandenburg.

Let's say I'm protesting covid vaccine mandates in 2021. Imagine I got up at a rally and say "let's see how Fauci likes it when we bust into his house and inject him with fo ...[text shortened]... the red shirt? He's a Nazi. Get him!"

Now THAT's incitement.

This? No, doesn't go far enough.

""See the guy in the red shirt? He's a Nazi. Get him!""

what is "eminent" about that statement?

@Mott-The-Hoople said
""See the guy in the red shirt? He's a Nazi. Get him!""

what is "eminent" about that statement?

Imminent means soon - close in time

@no1marauder said
I gave a direct quote. He said many things just like that in the speech, then threw in one off hand comment about "peacefully".

Tell me, how was that crowd going to "stop the steal" by "fighting like hell" on January 6, 2021 without violence?

"Peacefully" was just a CYA moment.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
""See the guy in the red shirt? He's a Nazi. Get him!""

what is "eminent" about that statement?

"Eminent" means first, or most important.

"Imminent" means happening soon. Like right away.

@no1marauder said
I gave a direct quote. He said many things just like that in the speech, then threw in one off hand comment about "peacefully".

Tell me, how was that crowd going to "stop the steal" by "fighting like hell" on January 6, 2021 without violence?

but not all of it...called cherry picking

@Mott-The-Hoople said
but not all of it...called cherry picking

I did what you asked i.e."quote Trump inciting violence."

I notice you're dodging my question.

@no1marauder said
I did what you asked i.e."quote Trump inciting violence."

I notice you're dodging my question.

Trumps speech in its entirety...

"https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial"

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

you left that part out

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Trumps speech in its entirety...

"https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial"

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawf ...[text shortened]... pitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.[/b]

you left that part out

And you left out 99% of the speech

And you still didn't answer my question.

@no1marauder said
And you left out 99% of the speech

And you still didn't answer my question.

I posted the entire speech...

you stupidly present the word fight as only having one meaning. I usually dont answer stupid questions...but

b(1)
: to attempt to prevent the success or effectiveness of
the company fought the takeover attempt
(2)
: to oppose the passage or development of
fight a bill in Congress