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  1. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    22 Sep '17 08:34
  2. 22 Sep '17 09:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    [youtube]hEd75iVdTDY[/youtube]
    This isn't socialism, it's common sense and common ethics.

    Btw is it a requirement that one has to be a Canadian citizen to access this health care system?
  3. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    23 Sep '17 10:46
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    This isn't socialism, it's common sense and common ethics.

    Btw is it a requirement that one has to be a Canadian citizen to access this health care system?
    That is socialism.
  4. Subscriber KingDavid403
    King David
    23 Sep '17 18:16 / 9 edits
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    That is socialism.
    if someone calls the police or firefighters for help they are a socialist. 911 is socialism. Public schools are socialism. City trash collection is socialism. All streets, highways, and freeways, are socialism. Street lights and stop signs are socialism. Public library's are socialism. Snow removal of city and state roads is socialism. public parks are socialism. Our military is socialism and payed for by socialists. Anything paid for by taxes is socialism. Need I go on? Wow, look; the United States is a socialist country and has been before it even became a country. Sucks huh? Damn Those dirty evil Democratic socialists like Bernie huh? I mean, how could they ever think that every American citizen should get health care even if they can,t afford it after all the taxes they pay. Damn socialists.
  5. Subscriber KingDavid403
    King David
    23 Sep '17 19:17 / 5 edits
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    This isn't socialism, it's common sense and common ethics.

    Btw is it a requirement that one has to be a Canadian citizen to access this health care system?
    Btw is it a requirement that one has to be a Canadian citizen to access this health care system?
    Yes,in Canada it is. Except when life saving emergency health care is needed for visitors. Also, Canada does not cover prescription medication, eye care, or hearing loss care. That has to be paid for out of pocket or by insurance. BTW, all prescription medication in Canada is 40%+ less than it costs in the United States.
  6. Subscriber KingDavid403
    King David
    23 Sep '17 19:37 / 2 edits
  7. Subscriber KingDavid403
    King David
    23 Sep '17 22:15 / 2 edits
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxrP-pL3gRM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-ZFwwOTaY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94nwYhT6PIo
  8. 23 Sep '17 22:17 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    That is socialism.
    No it isn't.
    It's just a good healthcare policy which benefits a nation state and its own citizens.
  9. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    23 Sep '17 22:59
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    No it isn't.
    It's just a good healthcare policy which benefits a nation state and its own citizens.
    Yes it is.
  10. 23 Sep '17 23:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    Yes it is.
    You agree then that fundamentally this healthcare provision should only be available to those citizens of said nation?
  11. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    23 Sep '17 23:14
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    You agree then that fundamentally this healthcare provision should only be available to those citizens of said nation?
    How do you reach that idea?

    I think healthcare is a human right and I deeply disapprove of those seeking to dehumanise those who are not citizens. A huge proportion of the world's population are migrants, temporarily or permanently. Nationalist bigots need to get to grips with the reality that humanity is not restricted to the ten mile radius around their place of birth.
  12. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    23 Sep '17 23:26
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    How do you reach that idea?

    I think healthcare is a human right and I deeply disapprove of those seeking to dehumanise those who are not citizens. A huge proportion of the world's population are migrants, temporarily or permanently. Nationalist bigots need to get to grips with the reality that humanity is not restricted to the ten mile radius around their place of birth.
    Nice point rather than a hip replacement on the NHS in the UK, that money could save 10 lives in Liberia. What's a little discomfort compared to that.
  13. 24 Sep '17 00:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    How do you reach that idea?

    I think healthcare is a human right and I deeply disapprove of those seeking to dehumanise those who are not citizens. A huge proportion of the world's population are migrants, temporarily or permanently. Nationalist bigots need to get to grips with the reality that humanity is not restricted to the ten mile radius around their place of birth.
    So you don't think that the Canadian model is socialism after all.

    Do make your mind up.
  14. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    24 Sep '17 00:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Nice point rather than a hip replacement on the NHS in the UK, that money could save 10 lives in Liberia. What's a little discomfort compared to that.
    I'm not sure what illogical point you are trying to make here.

    Let me give you an example. I have been in England since 1965 and I am an Irish citizen. I worked my entire life here, paid taxes, contributed in other ways and earned a pension that way. I vote in all elections and take an active part in aspects of local politics. I have never used a passport in my life and have no plans to apply for any form of photo ID, even if and when that becomes legally obligatory.

    My citizenship is of marginal relevance to anything whatsoever.

    As nationalist bigots start trying to make an issue out of this, who benefits?