Originally posted by smw6869We've come a long way, haven't we? My grandfather was a police officer and I remember my father once commenting about him, "if he arrested somebody, they knew they'd been arrested", which I took to mean he didn't put up with any guff, just took 'em down and cuffed them. They didn't have tasers back then, so I assume he had a big wooden nightstick in his hand to enforce the law.
So, if the officer had just told the kid he was under arrest the use of the taser would have been fine? Using a taser is not deadly force, is it?
GRANNY.
Police gotta be sooooooo careful now not to hurt anyone's feelings.
Originally posted by smw6869Only if it was reasonably necessary under the circumstances. Putting the suspect under arrest might have justified some force if he resisted arrest (which he didn't do here). No, a taser is not considered deadly force, though some people have died from a taser.
So, if the officer had just told the kid he was under arrest the use of the taser would have been fine? Using a taser is not deadly force, is it?
GRANNY.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamThey, like anybody else, should be careful to follow the law. Your grandfather sounds like he would have made a good guard at Auschwitz.
We've come a long way, haven't we? My grandfather was a police officer and I remember my father once commenting about him, "if he arrested somebody, they knew they'd been arrested", which I took to mean he didn't put up with any guff, just took 'em down and cuffed them. They didn't have tasers back then, so I assume he had a big wooden nightstick in hi ...[text shortened]... enforce the law.
Police gotta be sooooooo careful now not to hurt anyone's feelings.
Originally posted by dryhumpHere's a copy of a Utah Speeding Ticket: http://nowscape.com/suck/images/Speeding_ticket.jpg
The fact still remains that if he had been paying attention in the first place, and if he could read, he would have signed the ticket and never given the cop an excuse to arrest him. The best way to deal with a cop, bored or not, is to say Yes sir or maybe no sir, or possibly whatever you say sir. Telling the cop what he will or won't do is a recipe for di ...[text shortened]... e ticket clearly stated in the box where you sign it that signing is not an admission of guilt.
It does say near the place where the defendant is supposed to sign "Without admitting guilt, I promise to appear as directed therein". However, no place on the ticket does it say they you are liable to be arrested if you don't sign.
Originally posted by no1marauderDid the Kid ever pay the traffic ticket, thereby admitting he was guilty of the violation?
Only if it was reasonably necessary under the circumstances. Putting the suspect under arrest might have justified some force if he resisted arrest (which he didn't do here). No, a taser is not considered deadly force, though some people have died from a taser.
GRANNY.
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Originally posted by smw6869Massey pleaded guilty in Uintah County's Justice Court to a reduced speeding charge and paid a fine of $107.
Did the Kid ever pay the traffic ticket, thereby admitting he was guilty of the violation?
GRANNY.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20080311/ai_n24918415
I can't speak for Utah, but generally in New York a speeder is reduced only if you have a clean or at least good driving record. There is also no indication that Massey was ever charged with resisting arrest or obstruction of governmental administration.
Of course, people aren't arrested for speeding.
Originally posted by no1marauderSo, the officer was acting correctly, by law, and the Kid admitted to speeding. How did everything go so wrong? Who initiated the problem? The kid was lying. He knew he was speeding. He admitted so by paying the fine. The only thing the officer did wrong was to Not arrest the Kid. And for that the Kid got $40K smackers?
Massey pleaded guilty in Uintah County's Justice Court to a reduced speeding charge and paid a fine of $107.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20080311/ai_n24918415
I can't speak for Utah, but generally in New York a speeder is reduced only if you have a clean or at least good driving record. There is also no indication that ...[text shortened]... of governmental administration.
Of course, people aren't arrested for speeding.
Oh, it's a wonderful day in the neighborhood...
A wounderful day for a neighborwould...you be mine....
Could you be my lawyer?
GRANNY.
Originally posted by smw6869It doesn't follow that "he knew he was lying" by pleading guilty to a REDUCED charge - people who claim they were innocent do that all the time. I find it somewhat hard to believe that he actually saw the sign because that would mean he also would have had to see the trooper right next to it and still sped. Of course, you don't have to know you're speeding to be guilty of speeding.
So, the officer was acting correctly, by law, and the Kid admitted to speeding. How did everything go so wrong? Who initiated the problem? The kid was lying. He knew he was speeding. He admitted so by paying the fine. The only thing the officer did wrong was to Not arrest the Kid. And for that the Kid got $40K smackers?
Oh, it's a wonderful day in the nei ...[text shortened]...
A wounderful day for a neighborwould...you be mine....
Could you be my lawyer?
GRANNY.
The officer did pretty much everything wrong after the initial stop.
Originally posted by no1marauderIn order for the Kid to not have seen the sign he would have to be blind. He saw the officer's car, but not the sign?
It doesn't follow that "he knew he was lying" by pleading guilty to a REDUCED charge - people who claim they were innocent do that all the time. I find it somewhat hard to believe that he actually saw the sign because that would mean he also would have had to see the trooper right next to it and still sped. Of course, you don't have to know you're speedi ...[text shortened]... eding.
The officer did pretty much everything wrong after the initial stop.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by smw6869I don't think he saw either; why would he speed right in front of a police car? He had his wife and a child in the car; maybe he was distracted. That's not a defense, but your claim is he was lying and there's no proof, and little indication, of that.
In order for the Kid to not have seen the sign he would have to be blind. He saw the officer's car, but not the sign?
GRANNY.
The bottom line is, in the words of Cool Hand Luke, "what we have here is a failure to communicate". The officer failed to communicate to the motorist that he intended to arrest him for not signing the ticket and the motorist clearly didn't think he was being put under arrest when the officer asked him to step out of the car. If the officer had simply said something like "Sir, if you don't sign the ticket, I have the authority to, and will, arrest you", I doubt if the incident would have wound up on youtube. That is probably why his superiors decided he needed more training in "verbal communication" before he was allowed to return to duty.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe Kid oviously never watches the TV show "Cops" or he'd know when you're asked to step out of the car you're going to be going to jail. Enough said. I shall try the kids tactics on my next traffic stop. I'm tired of working.
I don't think he saw either; why would he speed right in front of a police car? He had his wife and a child in the car; maybe he was distracted. That's not a defense, but your claim is he was lying and there's no proof, and little indication, of that.
The bottom line is, in the words of Cool Hand Luke, "what we have here is a failure to comm ...[text shortened]... eded more training in "verbal communication" before he was allowed to return to duty.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by no1marauderStupid dumba$$ should have been respectful to the cop and signed the ticket and then none of it ever would have happened. A sample conversation might have gone Cop "Hey, you were going kind of fast I need to see your license and registration." Idiot, while reaching for license and registration, "I didn't realize I was speeding, sir" Cop "There was a speed limit sign back there and you blew right by it."
I don't think he saw either; why would he speed right in front of a police car? He had his wife and a child in the car; maybe he was distracted. That's not a defense, but your claim is he was lying and there's no proof, and little indication, of that.
The bottom line is, in the words of Cool Hand Luke, "what we have here is a failure to comm ...[text shortened]... eded more training in "verbal communication" before he was allowed to return to duty.
Idiot "I guess I was distracted, could you tell me where the sign is so I can see for my self please, sir." and so on. Don't you think this attitude would have kept his stupid A$$ from getting tasered?