@Rajk999 saidYou write that the money was well spent, and then you write that the money didn't correct the problem and should have been used differently.
From my point of view, the money was well spent. I am happy when Islam is kept down. You are more concerned with your own personal taxes, and disposable income, than with world security.
Maybe in VietNam the US should have either gone in their with full force and finish the job rather than beat around the bush. Maybe in Afganistan they should have killed out a few more ...[text shortened]... my with nuclear ambitions who has vowed to destroy the US and Israel. They are different scenarios.
Which is it?
@wildgrass saidThat's just your guess, which is no doubt influenced by your chagrin at the prospect of Trump getting any credit for anything.
The blockade didn't do anything.
@wildgrass saidBoth are possible at the same time Money can be well spent and still not fix the problem.
You write that the money was well spent, and then you write that the money didn't correct the problem and should have been used differently.
Which is it?
You do not ever correct or fix Islam. They are never going to stop trying to kill Christians and infidels. Money is well spent keeping them down, and under control. The problem is never corrected or fixed.
@sh76 saidIt is worth noting that Israel was [and still is] ready to attack any of the enemies of the US. Its only gross ignorance would make someone say that Israel does not help the US. Recently Israel was instrumental in developing the Iron Beam, a laser weapon capable of shooting down missiles. The US is also benefiting from such innovations and drastic cost reductions in military expenditure is expected.
Wow! What historical ignorance!
===I didn't see the state of Israel lifting a finger to help America during desert storm, operation Iraq freedom, or our long campaign in Afghanistan. ===
Israel was specifically asked by the US to stay out of those wars - on the (astute) theory that Israeli participation would upset the other Arab allies of the US.
Israel sustained score ...[text shortened]... against Islamic extremism benefits everyone on the world (except the Islamic extremists, I suppose).
@sh76 saidThe blockade is still in effect as Trump announced, so why should it get any credit for opening the Strait?
That's just your guess, which is no doubt influenced by your chagrin at the prospect of Trump getting any credit for anything.
Isn't it more logical to credit the Lebanon ceasefire since Israel's continued attacks there is what triggered this closure in the first place?
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@sh76 saidHe wants credit for opening a strait that was open before he started a pointless war?
That's just your guess, which is no doubt influenced by your chagrin at the prospect of Trump getting any credit for anything.
Not me, real analysts! There's a bunch of real reporting (i.e. not Foxnews or propaganda pieces) that the US blockade isn't doing anything beyond what Iran did when they closed the strait in the first place. Moreover, there's a bunch of opinions from real experts that this move won't impact Iranian decision making in any way.
In simple terms, even if the blockade was working in direct terms of stopping ships from moving, why would delaying ship travel move the needle on nuclear negotiations if 20 years of crippling sanctions didn't get them to the table?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/trump-iran-strait-of-hormuz-us-blockade-china-b2957107.html
@Rajk999 saidIf anything, that war made the Taliban stronger.
Both are possible at the same time Money can be well spent and still not fix the problem.
You do not ever correct or fix Islam. They are never going to stop trying to kill Christians and infidels. Money is well spent keeping them down, and under control. The problem is never corrected or fixed.
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@sh76 saidWell that and Carter attacked them and Reagen paid them off.
Right.
And you know why the Iranian revolutionaries had such contempt for Carter?
Because he was weak.
Carter once said that the number one goal of his administration was to get the embassy hostages released. Do you not see how incredibly weak that sounds, coming from a world superpower?
Thugs don't respect someone they can push around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
@sh76 saidThat and cutting off the government from access to revenue by constant cutting taxes on the rich.
This is a topic for a different thread, but it is truly amazing how the Chinese can get stuff done. California's rail project has been on ice for 2 decades due to bureaucratic red tape. And basically, building anything new takes 2 decades. The Second Avenue subway project in New York is decades old and decades more to go.
And it's not a matter of democracy vs. autocracy. The ...[text shortened]... 've mired ourselves in a mess of bureaucracy. That's why our infrastructure is getting old and weak.
@Rajk999 saidConsidering Jews have declared their intention to destroy Iran I don't blame the Persians.
From my point of view, the money was well spent. I am happy when Islam is kept down. You are more concerned with your own personal taxes, and disposable income, than with world security.
Maybe in VietNam the US should have either gone in their with full force and finish the job rather than beat around the bush. Maybe in Afganistan they should have killed out a few more ...[text shortened]... my with nuclear ambitions who has vowed to destroy the US and Israel. They are different scenarios.
https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-858308
Yonatan Ben Uziel’s prophecy: As Persia falls, Jerusalem begins to rise
In a timely essay, Rabbi Shai Tchan reveals how Yonatan ben Uziel foresaw the fall of Persia and the rise of Israel—marking the final stage before Mashiach and the end of exile.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/persia-fall-rabbis-cite-ancient-215213019.html
'Persia will fall': Rabbis cite ancient texts as Iran’s crisis deepens
@wildgrass saidExcept that ‘we’ aren’t back to where we were. No country will trust the USA until those responsible for the unprovoked attack against Iran are held accountable.
Thanks for getting us back to where we were before, while making the wallets of every American a few hundred dollars lighter along the way.
@no1marauder saidA last ditch position by Marauder, as his ship sinks An actual general just came on Fox and explained what a genius Trump is. After calling for the cease-fire, he moved his ships into some position, which was a surprise to the Iranians, who, as a result or weakened by the move,I don’t know more to say than that, but man, this guy sure knew what to say. He was bubbling with glee. I don’t think he lies!!!!!!!!!!
You're ignoring that we still don't control the strait and that tankers still aren't going through for fear of attack by Iranian forces.
Blockading Iranian ports doesn't change that.
So today Trump scores big, and he has not even really scored yet. What a guy. All of this stuff going on, while he is saying”we will never need NATO,”,,,, as he boards his plane to go to Nevada. For what, who knows, maybe he has 50 balls in the air I thought it was just 40.
Busy busy.
And sun house, and Marauder et al want to get rid of him, replacing him with whom might I ask? All because of some nefarious journal entries. Funny how someone else writes about past history all the time, chiding someone on another thread about something that was 20 years old. So Sunhouse wants to put a time constraint on topics that we come up with.
Only he gets to do that, by the way, don’t anyone else even be thinking about it!
@wildgrass saidThat was the fault of the US presidents at that time. They made bad decisions.
If anything, that war made the Taliban stronger.