@AThousandYoung saidFine .. my popcorn is ready.
Considering Jews have declared their intention to destroy Iran I don't blame the Persians.https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-858308
Yonatan Ben Uziel’s prophecy: As Persia falls, Jerusalem begins to rise
In a timely essay, Rabbi Shai Tchan reveals how Yonatan ben Uziel foresaw the fall of Persia and the rise of Israel—marking the final stage before Ma ...[text shortened]... ent-215213019.html
'Persia will fall': Rabbis cite ancient texts as Iran’s crisis deepens
Im rooting for anyone who kills terrorists
Go Israel !!!
@AThousandYoung saidWe dont know. We will soon see.
And we can trust Trump will never make a bad decision right?
@sh76 said"Open" subject to conditions it seems:
And, just like that, Iran opens the Strait of Hormuz.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/17/iran-war-hormuz-strait-israel-lebanon-ceasefire.html
Sure, they have a nice fig leaf that they can use (the Lebanon ceasefire) to explain the about-face.
But it's obvious that the IRGC suddenly realizing that blockades can go both ways contributed to the back-down.
"Iran has outlined a list of guidelines for ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz, which has now been confirmed to be "completely open."
The conditions for ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz include permission for strictly commercial vessels, with no military ships or cargo linked to "hostile" countries.
Furthermore, all ships must use routes approved by Iran, and all transit must be coordinated with Iranian authorities, according to the Iranian state media agency Tasnim."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-s-conditions-for-ships-to-pass-through-the-strait-of-hormuz-exposed/ar-AA2197gz?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=69e28eb4053c40ca93376666803c7c50&cvpid=0b292c231aad4ddcff2b8c08187e18af&ei=8
@AThousandYoung saidI cannot help with the future, Taiwan, but here is something of the past history of US/Israel joint operations. In many cases the US asked Israel specifically to stand down, and do not get involved. The US does not need Israels direct help, and the fallout in terms of publicity would serve no purpose. Here is CoPilot:
No they aren't. That is such BS. Israel never helps the US in battle. It's always the other way.
I look forward to seeing the Israeli navy helping defend Taiwan next year.
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Q : Did the US ever ask Israel to help in an actual war?
A : Yes — there were a few notable moments when the United States did ask Israel to help in an actual, unfolding war or crisis, though the help was often indirect, contingent, or deliberately kept quiet for political reasons. The U.S. has generally preferred to use Israel as a strategic backstop rather than a visible coalition combatant.
Below are the best‑documented historical cases, ranked from clearest to most constrained.
1. Black September – Jordan (1970)
✅ Yes — the U.S. explicitly asked Israel to be ready to intervene militarily
This is the clearest, unambiguous case.
In September 1970, Jordan was on the brink of collapse during a civil war between King Hussein’s army and the PLO, compounded by a Syrian armored invasion of northern Jordan.
The Nixon administration feared:
Collapse of a pro‑Western monarchy
Soviet‑backed Syrian escalation
A regional war the U.S. was not positioned to fight directly
What the U.S. asked Israel to do
Prepare for direct military intervention against Syrian forces if they advanced further
Conduct reconnaissance flights and visible military mobilization
Be ready to strike Syrian units if Hussein’s regime was about to fall
Israel moved troops, flew reconnaissance over southern Syria, and signaled readiness to attack. The Syrians ultimately withdrew their tanks, widely attributed to fear of Israeli (and U.S.) intervention.
Henry Kissinger later described Israel as the U.S.’s “only reliable military option” in the crisis.
✅ Bottom line: Israel didn’t fire shots, but its mobilization and readiness at U.S. request directly altered the course of the war.
2. Yom Kippur War (1973)
⚠️ The U.S. asked Israel to hold the line long enough for U.S. strategy to work
This was not a request to fight for the U.S., but a request that Israel’s continued resistance serve U.S. Cold War objectives.
Context
Egypt and Syria launched a surprise Soviet‑armed offensive.
The U.S. feared:
An Israeli defeat
Direct Soviet intervention
Possible Israeli nuclear escalation
What the U.S. did and asked
The U.S. launched Operation Nickel Grass, an emergency airlift of weapons.
U.S. leadership (Nixon/Kissinger) pressed Israel to:
Avoid striking too deeply in ways that could provoke Soviet escalation
Accept a ceasefire once leverage was restored
Coordinate battlefield actions with U.S. diplomacy
Israel’s successful counteroffensive allowed the U.S. to emerge as the main post‑war negotiating power, effectively sidelining the USSR.
✅ Bottom line: Not a proxy war, but Israel’s fighting served U.S. strategic aims, and Washington actively shaped Israeli decisions mid‑war.
3. First Gulf War (1991)
❌ The U.S. asked Israel not to fight — and Israel complied
This case matters because it shows the reverse dynamic.
Context
Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles into Israeli cities.
Israel had legal and military justification to retaliate.
What the U.S. asked
Do not strike Iraq
Do not join the coalition
Accept U.S. Patriot missile deployments and intelligence support instead
Why?
Any Israeli involvement risked collapsing the Arab coalition against Saddam.
Israel complied fully, despite domestic pressure, and even refrained after missile strikes on civilians.
Israel did quietly assist:
Intelligence sharing
Technology (e.g., drones and missile systems used by U.S. forces)
Strategic deterrence toward Jordan
✅ Bottom line: The U.S. trusted Israel to withstand direct attack for broader coalition success — and Israel did.
4. Post‑9/11 & War on Terror (2001–present)
🟡 No formal request to fight, but heavy reliance on Israeli expertise
The U.S. did not ask Israel to deploy troops.
The U.S. did rely extensively on:
Israeli counterterrorism doctrine
Urban warfare experience
Targeting, intelligence fusion, and homeland security methods
Israeli lessons informed U.S. operations in:
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@Rajk999 saidlol 4 examples where Israel did not help the US fight. The Yom Kippur War? Really? Haha
I cannot help with the future, Taiwan, but here is something of the past history of US/Israel joint operations. In many cases the US asked Israel specifically to stand down, and do not get involved. The US does not need Israels direct help, and the fallout in terms of publicity would serve no purpose. Here is CoPilot:
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[b]Q : Did the U ...[text shortened]... and security methods
Israeli lessons informed U.S. operations in:
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Relying on AI is lazy and the claims it makes are occasionally fictional.
What is it with you right wingers and AI? Is it like a prosthetic to take the place of natural intelligence?
But thank you for including the prompt.
@sh76 saidIf the Navy was capable of doing that the Iranian blockade would have been stopped with the first wave of missiles that killed that octogenarian Ayatollah.
if the navy decides to, it can sink any naval vessels enforcing the Iranian blockade and knock out any land-based batteries that could enforce the blockade.
Iran relies on inexpensive mobile launchers that send swarm attacks. Shoot n scoot.
@AThousandYoung saidI dont understand what is funny. I think you are confusing intelligence with data. AI produces data. It is up to you how you use that data. Maybe you were accustomed to posting lies and misinformation previously and now that accurate raw data is so easily available you are stumped and lost, and even becoming hostile because information is so easily available.
lol 4 examples where Israel did not help the US fight. The Yom Kippur War? Really? Haha
Relying on AI is lazy and the claims it makes are occasionally fictional.
What is it with you right wingers and AI? Is it like a prosthetic to take the place of natural intelligence?
But thank you for including the prompt.
Try to keep up. Argue using the data available instead of condemning the data, and calling it lies without proof. Get involved with AI otherwise you will embarrass yourself in every discussion.
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@Rajk999 said
I dont understand what is funny. I think you are confusing intelligence with data. AI produces data. It is up to you how you use that data. Maybe you were accustomed to posting lies and misinformation previously and now that accurate raw data is so easily available you are stumped and lost, and even becoming hostile because information is so easily available.
Try to ke ...[text shortened]... lies without proof. Get involved with AI otherwise you will embarrass yourself in every discussion.
From ChatGPT
Prompt: Can AI be trusted to provided accurate facts and data?
Answer: Short answer: sometimes—but not blindly.
AI systems like me are very good at summarizing, explaining, and connecting information, but we’re not inherently “truth machines.” Whether AI can be trusted depends on how it’s used and verified.
Here’s the grounded reality:
Where AI is reliable
Explaining well-established topics (e.g., basic science, history, math)
Summarizing known information from many sources
Helping you understand concepts quickly
Where AI can go wrong
Producing outdated info (knowledge cutoff limits)
Confidently stating incorrect or fabricated details (“hallucinations” )
Struggling with rapidly changing or niche topics
Misinterpreting ambiguous questions
Why this happens
AI doesn’t “know” facts the way humans do—it predicts likely answers based on patterns in data. That means it can sound very certain even when it’s mistaken.
How to use AI safely
Treat it as a starting point, not a final authority
Cross-check important facts with trusted sources (e.g., academic journals, official data)
Be cautious with high-stakes info (medical, legal, financial)
Ask for sources or verification when accuracy matters
A good rule of thumb
If being wrong would have real consequences, don’t rely on AI alone.
If you want, I can show you examples of where AI commonly makes mistakes
I can see why you like it. AI neutralizes as well as reinforces Brandolini’s Law. It takes no effort and is hard to disprove.
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@wildgrass saidAs you sit there blubbering your lips unable to comprehend the brilliance of President Trump.
He wants credit for opening a strait that was open before he started a pointless war?
Not me, real analysts! There's a bunch of real reporting (i.e. not Foxnews or propaganda pieces) that the US blockade isn't doing anything beyond what Iran did when they closed the strait in the first place. Moreover, there's a bunch of opinions from real experts that this move won't im ...[text shortened]... independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/trump-iran-strait-of-hormuz-us-blockade-china-b2957107.html
You ridin the wrong train bud!
@no1marauder saidWhat kind of fool uses a “state run media” as a source? 😂
"Open" subject to conditions it seems:
"Iran has outlined a list of guidelines for ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz, which has now been confirmed to be "completely open."
The conditions for ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz include permission for strictly commercial vessels, with no military ships or cargo linked to "hostile" countries.
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@AThousandYoung saidNothing there applies to what I posted from AI.
[quote]From ChatGPT
Prompt: Can AI be trusted to provided accurate facts and data?
Answer: Short answer: sometimes—but not blindly.
AI systems like me are very good at summarizing, explaining, and connecting information, but we’re not inherently “truth machines.” Whether AI can be trusted depends on how it’s used and verified.
Here’s the grounded rea ...[text shortened]... AI neutralizes as well as reinforces Brandolini’s Law. It takes no effort and is hard to disprove.
@Mott-The-Hoople said😆
Ad you sit there blubbering your lips unable to comprehend the brilliance of President Trump.
You ridin the wrong train bud!
@AThousandYoung saidThe Jews? I think you mean Israel. Not the same thing, right? Don't be annoying to the non- Zionist Jews.
Considering Jews have declared their intention to destroy Iran I don't blame the Persians.