@wildgrass saidThe Capitol police thought they were pretty peaceful when letting them in.
No lie. They revise history.
The riot was real. Not peaceful.
A Rasmussen Reports survey found 65% of likely voters say they think undercover government agents likely helped provoke the riots. The other 35% have not seen the footage that proves it.
https://fullmeasure.news/news/information-wars/january-6th-10-12-2023
@sonhouse saidI dont know what the goal was, or if it will exonerate Trump. MY goal is that everything should be published, and stop with the secretive DOJ stuff, so we can get to the bottom of it one way or another. If it nails Trump, so be it.
@AverageJoe1
I imagine you will just rationalize this one like you do all the others but here is one truth about FUKKER Carlson:
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/25/1171800317/how-tucker-carlsons-extremist-narratives-shaped-fox-news-and-conservative-politi
And why are you touting that 40,000 hour propaganda piece anyway? Do you think that is going to rewrite history and th ...[text shortened]... f being the ultimate leader of the insurrection because good old boy Mikey puts out all those tapes?
Conversely, everyone is wondering, if Trump is exonerated of all charges, will Sonhouse get off of his ass?
@averagejoe1 saidFirst of all, nobody fukin stops the republicans from nominating someone else if Trump goes to jail. Are you saying that Biden, the person you all keep screaming is weak and senile, would beat any republican other than Trump?
The tapes are prpbably already released, why isn't Sonhouse on it!?!??
I think because the tapes do not prove insurrection. Sonhouse wants it to prove insurrection so that Biden can lead for 4 more years and ruin our lives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOa8S10mSvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opy7MLGAPBk
Secondly, who told you the tapes don't prove insurrection? was it Hannity? Pirro? Gutfeld? Some other great journalist at Fox?
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@zahlanzi saidYour own two eyes will see there was no insurrection, I've asked No1 to play out the scenario a number of times and the best we've had is an unruly mob was going to proceed to a specific room, capture some specific goobermint bureaurats, get those specific goobermint bureaurats to alter some legalese on some specific goobermint paperworks then one would assume they would sign off the changes, then transmit the revised paperwork by some method (tweets?) to some other specific goobermint bureaurats etc etc it just get's worse and worse, more and more preposterous. What we had was a guy wearing viking horns (I think in the wrong room) we had Joe Biggs go directly to the room by leaving the building 8^/ , another guy with stolen lectern and another with his feet on pelosis desk (also the wrong room if you're insurrecting the most powerful goobermint in the world. most were wandering around being directed by the cops, taking selfies. Nothing like a black lives matter event with stolen sport shoes and dozens of buildings on fire.
First of all, nobody fukin stops the republicans from nominating someone else if Trump goes to jail. Are you saying that Biden, the person you all keep screaming is weak and senile, would beat any republican other than Trump?
Secondly, who told you the tapes don't prove insurrection? was it Hannity? Pirro? Gutfeld? Some other great journalist at Fox?
Every time you blokes are asked to give us some idea of what the proposed plan was, what a feasible insurrection would look like it becomes more preposterous, and then try to apply the plan to what actually happened and it's unrecognisable as an insurrection or any other organised overthrow.
The PBs were communicating encoded messages but Tario blurts out the most damning evidence they possess when he tells Biggs 'Don't leave" (or words to that effect)
No instruction, no plan, not: Go to location A. Kidnap person B. Get them to dig up paperwork C. Change some words to D. Call deliveroo and get some pizza delivered
@averagejoe1 saidHave some huevos and simply claim that you believe what you believe merely because your Orange Jesus tells you so.
'Well informed' is the correct phrase. I am 'well informed'; by people in the know. I am not informed by you or, for heavens sake' Sonhouse. Nor the linkster, Marauder.
Think of the time spent on this by lawyers and their underlings 'in the stacks', a law school phrase. Study study study, worky worky....Not one of these people Educated In The Law find any insur ...[text shortened]... opinions on very good sources. Everyone in the WH probably thinks exactly like Sonhouse. Guilty!!
@metal-brain saidStop lying. Just. Stop. Lying.
The Capitol police thought they were pretty peaceful when letting them in.
A Rasmussen Reports survey found 65% of likely voters say they think undercover government agents likely helped provoke the riots. The other 35% have not seen the footage that proves it.
https://fullmeasure.news/news/information-wars/january-6th-10-12-2023
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@zahlanzi saidNo one said the tapes do not prove insurrection. Actually they said insurrection is not proved by the tapes. Why don't we discuss it, with what little we know. Sonhouse can moderate.
First of all, nobody fukin stops the republicans from nominating someone else if Trump goes to jail. Are you saying that Biden, the person you all keep screaming is weak and senile, would beat any republican other than Trump?
Secondly, who told you the tapes don't prove insurrection? was it Hannity? Pirro? Gutfeld? Some other great journalist at Fox?
Geez.
Hey, if Trump has not been charged by the PROSECUTORS, (not us) , then that must mean that they do not have a case. Only surprise will be that if they DO have a case, they are holding back till it will harm him the most to charge him.
As to Biden winning, I do not see how he can beat anyone. He will never debate, he has never 'run on anything'. All they do is lambast republicans. All you foreigners must be amazed at a guy runnng for president who, well, does not run for president.
@suzianne saidHe is not my orange jesus, i don't like him that much. I just don't see a leader out there except him, though I am leaning towards Nikki Haley. So, if I like Nikki, you are incorrect to say i 'believe' Trump. Though, I do a good bit.
Have some huevos and simply claim that you believe what you believe merely because your Orange Jesus tells you so.
So who do you like for pres? The VP person? The dazzler from CA, who runs CA like a genius.
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@wajoma saidYou admit it was an unruly mob, at least.
Your own two eyes will see there was no insurrection, I've asked No1 to play out the scenario a number of times and the best we've had is an unruly mob was going to proceed to a specific room, capture some specific goobermint bureaurats, get those specific goobermint bureaurats to alter some legalese on some specific goobermint paperworks then one would assume they would sign ...[text shortened]... Get them to dig up paperwork C. Change some words to D. Call deliveroo and get some pizza delivered
The mob was buying time. It worked. They disrupted Congress, for a long time, from certifying the election. They just didn't disrupt for long enough to secure the coup.
The other part that didn't work was to force out Mike pence and replace him with Chuck grassley who would introduce an alternate slate of electors in "contested" states and anoint trump as our dear leader.
Is that clear?
@wildgrass saidwildgrass said:
You admit it was an unruly mob, at least.
The mob was buying time. It worked. They disrupted Congress, for a long time, from certifying the election. They just didn't disrupt for long enough to secure the coup.
The other part that didn't work was to force out Mike pence and replace him with Chuck grassley who would introduce an alternate slate of electors in "contested" states and anoint trump as our dear leader.
Is that clear?
"You admit it was an unruly mob, at least."
Exactly, always said so, that's my point, no plan. You're catching on. No plan equals no insurrection equals no coup. The whitehouse has people constantly planning and drilling for every possible scenario you could dream of, and then some. Constantly monitoring what's going on and reacting to it, you've elevated the WH to some kind of sacred wailing wall mecca reverential status, as the god botherers are want to do, so too the state worshippers such as yourself. All the pollies do is head to the next secure location and carry on their business.
@wajoma saidYou are correct. All they have is to persecute Donald and talk about it. Note there is nothing being glowingly said about theur mummy god. He has no platform to run on. Why dont they say that Biden has no policies to run on? Insfead they talk about Trump? Faerie City.
wildgrass said:
"You admit it was an unruly mob, at least."
Exactly, always said so, that's my point, no plan. You're catching on. No plan equals no insurrection equals no coup. The whitehouse has people constantly planning and drilling for every possible scenario you could dream of, and then some. Constantly monitoring what's going on and reacting to it, you' ...[text shortened]... ch as yourself. All the pollies do is head to the next secure location and carry on their business.
Are they still talking about the thousands of people on Jan 6th? ... When they are out in throngs now, with their horrid signs demanding that hostages be taken and held? They get to protest, the Jan 6 crowd does not?!??!?!?!? Anti semetic, the works. Do these people have jobs? No, because they are parasites.
Dont get me started.
@averagejoe1 said"No one said the tapes do not prove insurrection"
No one said the tapes do not prove insurrection. Actually they said insurrection is not proved by the tapes. Why don't we discuss it, with what little we know. Sonhouse can moderate.
Geez.
Hey, if Trump has not been charged by the PROSECUTORS, (not us) , then that must mean that they do not have a case. Only surprise will be that if they DO have a case, they are ...[text shortened]... l you foreigners must be amazed at a guy runnng for president who, well, does not run for president.
YOU did, you senile bastard
@AverageJoe1
You are still in your fantasy world where Trump gets reelected, pardons himself and stops the Georgia charges too.
One problem right now for the orange blob, his pet judge, Cannon, just announced he did not have the right to take those docs he had in Mar A Lago nor did he have the authority to declassify anything without involving the rest of the CIA crew, there is a specific procedure for that and it does not involve telepathy.
I guess though, since it is your god king doing the telepathic declassification, it must be ok since the orange one is in fact your cult leader, your god king, above the law.
I don't believe a word you say about you not 'liking' Trump otherwise you would stop defending him at every turn. I also don't believe you will decide not to vote for him if he is convicted and his moral character doesn't even come into the equation for you, he put 5000 children in cages, ripping infants from mothers arms and that BTW is a known fact, obviously not Trump himself, but his border guards AND they didn't even bother to take down the names of the parents which caused the problem to be dumped in Bidens pockets and there are still kids out there who used to be in cages that we don't know the parents and they are having to do detailed DNA analysis to find them. Those kids will be scarred for life psychologically but do you give a rats ass about that? No because they were not saving a pregnant mother's fetus, once that fetus is born, you and all the rest of the lifers drop that case like a hot potato going on to the next victory so kids now 10 or so years old, not your problem any more. I don't know which set of morals is worse, yours or Trumps.
You call his 25 MILLION in fines just a business deal where folks had all their money taken by this orange blob and you don't even take into consideration his total lack of morals when he started that particular set of grifts.
Morals don't come into play in your world it seems.