Originally posted by AThousandYoungNone of what you say is true about Japan or South Korea for instance.
The problem with what is not the density?
Population density causes problems. More people means less street parking, smaller apartments, more conflict between people, more competition for everything. It makes disease spread more easily, allows criminals to blend in to the community more easily, slows down transportation due to traffic, etc. High ...[text shortened]... likely to involve a "dog eat dog" view of the world since they have to compete for everything.
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Originally posted by FMFSouth Korea has an incredible amount of traffic fatalities caused by aggressive driving in high traffic.
None of what you say is true about Japan or South Korea for instance.
I'm curious - how do all these people manage to maintain spacious homes in high population areas? By definition high population density means less space per person.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_mot_veh_dea-health-motor-vehicle-deaths
Motor vehicle deaths (most recent) by country
Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 United States: 15.5 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#2 Belgium: 15.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#3 New Zealand: 14 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#4 France: 13.7 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#5 Italy: 12.9 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#6 Ireland: 11.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#7 Austria: 10.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#8 Australia: 10 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#9 Germany: 9.8 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#10 Canada: 9.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#11 Denmark: 9.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#12 Japan: 8.8 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#13 Norway: 8.7 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#14 Switzerland: 8.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#15 Finland: 8.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#16 Netherlands: 7.2 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#17 Sweden: 5.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
Weighted average: 10.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
Originally posted by zeeblebotSouth Korea's not on that list.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_mot_veh_dea-health-motor-vehicle-deaths
Motor vehicle deaths (most recent) by country
Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 United States: 15.5 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#2 Belgium: 15.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#3 New Zealand: 14 deaths per 100,000 peopl
#4 France: 13.7 deaths p ...[text shortened]...
#17 Sweden: 5.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
Weighted average: 10.6 deaths per 100,000 peopl
TRAFFIC SAFETY AND ROAD CONDITIONS: The Republic of Korea’s roads are well paved, traffic lights are functional, and most drivers comply with basic traffic laws. However, Korea has a significantly higher traffic fatality rate than does the United States. Causes of accidents include excessive speed, frequent lane changes, running of red lights, aggressive bus drivers, and weaving motorcyclists. Pedestrians should be aware that motorcyclists sometimes drive on the sidewalks and drivers of all types of vehicles do not always yield to pedestrians in marked crosswalks. It is safer to use pedestrian underpasses and overpasses where available.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1018.html#traffic_safety
Originally posted by zeeblebotWe don't see this type of projects being privately funded and I doubt there's anything stopping them. The thing is that talking about urban planning is talking about the need to coordinate a densely populated geographical space owned by many different private individuals or corporations. These interact in many ways that do not go through the property market, so regulation is potentially very useful.
what if it's privately funded?
Originally posted by zeeblebotAThousandYoung doesn't want to talk to me directly probably because I called him a plonker the other day.
? who claims that?
Tell him this for me, would you?
He said: Population density causes problems. More people means less street parking, smaller apartments, more conflict between people, more competition for everything. It makes disease spread more easily, allows criminals to blend in to the community more easily, slows down transportation due to traffic, etc. High population density encourages loud, obnoxious behavior because the squeakiest wheel gets the grease. Children raised in this kind of environment damage the quality of K-6 education by being loud and disruptive. Their cultural mores are more likely to involve a "dog eat dog" view of the world since they have to compete for everything."
So I said: "None of what you say is true about Japan or South Korea for instance."
You quite pertinently asked him: "why doesn't everyone who comes from HongKong act like that, then?
I personally had Tokyo and Seoul in mind as a contrast to Manilla, Jakarta, Bangkok etc. but my comment was more made in an effort to prevent the thread degenerating into Americans talking about American cities and American culture and extrapolating it onto the whole world, as is so often the way. It hadn't done that yet, admittedly. But that was the point of my point - not to put too fine a point on it.
Please tell AThousandYoung that that is what "people" meant.
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Originally posted by zeeblebotJapan's changing it's laws in 2009 to allow jury trials because under the current law if the police accuse you, you're screwed. Prosecutions are rarely successfully challenged in Japan, and the law is changing because of human rights concerns.
re incarceration, japan is #126 with 54 prisoners / 100K pop, US is at #1 with 715 prisoners / 100K pop, and HK is not in the list at nationmaster ...
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita
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Originally posted by zeeblebotThat's the fifth highest in the world, zeeblebot.
? ... not really .... 5 cops per thousand persons in HK doesn't really count as "massive" ... and Japan at #40 has 1.8 / thousand ...
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pol_percap-crime-police-per-capita
Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 Montserrat: 7.81501 per 1,000 people
#2 Mauritius: ...[text shortened]... - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
Japan doesn't have so many police, but the police they do have have tremendous power with insufficient checks on them.