13 May '10 21:57>
After WWII, was there a returning general who could have been analogous to Julius Caesar under slightly different circumstances, or is there a fundamental difference in the two Republics prohibiting this?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI read a book about Gen. MacArthur named American Caesar. Is that what you are referring too?
After WWII, was there a returning general who could have been analogous to Julius Caesar under slightly different circumstances, or is there a fundamental difference in the two Republics prohibiting this?
Originally posted by utherpendragonActually, the book that inspired this thread was Empire by Orson Scott Card. It's a really silly book that shows how entrenched Card is in the paranoid right wing conspiracy subgroup, but it addresses the title topic.
I read a book about Gen. MacArthur named American Caesar. Is that what you are referring too?
Originally posted by zeeblebotIt was left wingers (specifically George Soros) trying to take over the country with silly, impractical sci fi weapons made in foreign countries of course. The conspiracy was able to make it look like the Japanese battlemechs and hoverscooters were made in the USA!
was it a leftwing scenario or a rightwing scenario in Empire?
Originally posted by joneschrWWII was when we had a returning victorious general like Caesar. It seemed like a more realistic scenario.
Why did you choose WWII as the time frame, if the book was set in the present day? It strikes me that public outcry against such a thing would have been near a peak then.
Not that I think public outcry against a military coup wouldn't be significant in 2010, but it strikes me that it might be much less than in WWII. Public love of the government isn't exactly at a peak...
Originally posted by expuddlepirateThe characters in M*A*S*H, apart from Major Frank Burns, seemed ill-disposed towards MacArthur circa 1950.
Gen MacArthur, in a manner of speaking, was 'the last Shogun of japan' but, I don't see any President who served as a General ranked officer even being close to what Julius Ceaser was as far as "going to the top of the chain of command".
Originally posted by joneschrFor pretty much all of the past century, the US has been extremely prosperous and one of the world's top powers (if not THE top power). This sort of thing tends to produce a strong consensus that the system is sound. Even during times of political divisiveness and seeming mass cynicism (like we have now), almost no one has seriously wanted to see the kind of revolutionary change that would usher a Ceasar into power.
OK, so if any American general would have been inclined to become an American Caesar (if given the possibility) who would it be? Any timeframe, but lets rule out Civil war.
I'm thinking Patton.