Originally posted by yo its meI think there have been a lot of leaders that thught what they did was good for the nation. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Bush, etc...
Has there ever been a leader who in their time was actually thought of a good for the country, good for the people, etc?
Churchill maybe?
Then there have been leaders that actually did some good for their nation. Any suggestion?
Originally posted by FabianFnasi think this thread is about who was actually good for their country. in everyone's opinion at that time and in the view of future generations.
I think there have been a lot of leaders that thught what they did was good for the nation. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Bush, etc...
Then there have been leaders that actually did some good for their nation. Any suggestion?
Hardly known outside the borders, but Benito Juarez, the first and only indigenous president of Mexico, was a great leader who all Latin America, in his time, regarded as a living hero.
* Won for the liberals the civil war against the conservatives.
* Was a president on the run, since he was chased by the conservative forces who invited Maximilian of Habsburg to be Emperor of Mexico. He led the liberals from his carriage, on the run, carrying with him the invaliuable treasure of the national archives.
* His forces defeated and executed Maximilian of Habsburg.
* Despite being an indigenous Mexican, he made it through law school and became president of the Supreme Court.
* He converted Mexico in a secular country, and took off from the Catholic Church's claws their monopoly on education, marriage, and other civil acts.
* He surrounded himself with the most illustruous thinkers, politicians, and lawyers of the country.
* He died while being normal low middle class, and no member of his family became rich.
* Up to this day, the freaking Catholic priests hate his guts, lol
Originally posted by yo its meIn Sweden there's Per Albin Hanson. He more or less founded the
Has there ever been a leader who in their time was actually thought of a good for the country, good for the people, etc?
Churchill maybe?
Swedish model of capitalism and socialism working together and it's
worked great up until maybe the last ten years or so. So not only was he
appreciated by the vast majority of people in his own time, but his
legacy is appreciated by later generations as well. He did a lot of good
for us.
And I love reading about him. Here's a man who were politician during
his entire adult life. He went from rebel to father of Sweden. Yet, he
hardly ever associated with politicians in his free time. He kept on living
just like any other worker, travel to work by train (trolley is it called?) and
his favourite pass-time was playing cards and drinking with friends where
political topics for discussion was absolutely forbidden. What a guy!
Gotta love him.
Now, there was one politician who was really one of the people. And his
example lasted until Olof Palme was shot in the eighties. Before that our
politicians hardly needed any protection and it wasn't such a big deal if
you'd meet the prime minister himself on the street like any other man.
Now, they've got security guards all around them and they're not really in
touch with the people anymore.
We could use another Albin here, but I fear that la-la-politics has more
or less taken a grip and it would require a small revolution to take the
country back from those sweaty, farting caps sitting on their thrones of
multi-national businesses and profits.
Rant over and out. 🙂
It's very hard to explain election to four terms of office without a fair degree of enthusiasm for the policies of FDR. Most historians still maintain as well that FDR was the right man at the right time, even to the extent that Hoover's reputation is worse than it ought to be.
There are exceptions, of course. Some tried to push FDR to the left, others thought he was already too far that way. And there are efforts by some historians, or at least conservative economists, to suggest that the New Deal was a disaster. See The Forgotten Man: http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780066211701/The_Forgotten_Man/index.aspx
The current right-wing nutcase generation that is running Amerika into the ground got elected by opposing the New Deal a generation after the fact. In a backhanded way, Reagan Republicans and their neoconservative allies, as well as the Religious Right all testify to the enduring significance of FDR and the New Deal.
Even my Congresswoman--a right-wing ideologue and Reagan Republican: she wants to finish some things like abolishing the Department of Education--prides herself on protecting certain aspects of FDR's legacy, to wit, dams on the Columbia.
Originally posted by JigtieI like Olof Palme as well.
In Sweden there's Per Albin Hanson. He more or less founded the
Swedish model of capitalism and socialism working together and it's
worked great up until maybe the last ten years or so. So not only was he
appreciated by the vast majority of people in his own time, but his
legacy is appreciated by later generations as well. He did a lot of good
for u ...[text shortened]... ing on their thrones of
multi-national businesses and profits.
Rant over and out. 🙂
He's also well liked here in Finland, which is a big achievement for a Swede.
😛
Originally posted by WulebgrAmerika? OH! you mean America. But I am confused. 😕 How do you miss type a k for a c?
It's very hard to explain election to four terms of office without a fair degree of enthusiasm for the policies of FDR. Most historians still maintain as well that FDR was the right man at the right time, even to the extent that Hoover's reputation is worse than it ought to be.
There are exceptions, of course. Some tried to push FDR to the left, others th ...[text shortened]... --prides herself on protecting certain aspects of FDR's legacy, to wit, dams on the Columbia.
Originally posted by yo its meStalin, Mao, Castro and Chavez were all thought of as good for their country and good for the people. Alas, time has not been so kind.
Has there ever been a leader who in their time was actually thought of a good for the country, good for the people, etc?
Churchill maybe?