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  1. 20 Apr '10 04:03
    Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party of China, in order of rank, with degree:

    1. Hu Jintao - President of the People's Republic of China; hydraulic engineer, Tsinghua U. (Beijing), 1965.

    2. Wu Bangguo - Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress; electron tube engineer, Tsinghua U. (Beijing), 1960.

    3. Wen Jiabao - Premier of the State Council; geology engineer, Beijing Institute of Geology, 1967(?).

    4. Jia Qinglin - Chairman of the National Committee of Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference; (electrical engineer), Hebei U. of Technology, 1962(?).

    5. Li Changchun - (none specified); electrical engineer, Harbin Institute of Technology, 1966.

    6. Xi Jinping - Vice President of the People's Republic of China; chemical engineer (grad?); Tsinghua U. (Beijing), 1966(?).

    7. Li Keqiang - First Vice Premier of the State Council; lawyer and PhD in economics, Peking U. (Beijing), (date?).

    8. He Guoqiang - (none specified); chemical engineer, Beijing Institute of Chemical Engineering, (date?).

    9. Zhou Yongkang - (none specified); geophysical survey engineer, Beijing Petroleum Institute, (date?).

    ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_Standing_Committee
    with the following caveat:

    note: current order may be temporary, although they will be employed for the time being by state media. The protocol order of the remaining five will be determined as their portfolios are modified.
  2. 20 Apr '10 04:03
    eight engineers, one lawyer/economist (ranked at 7 of 9).
  3. 20 Apr '10 04:28
    does democracy really need a preponderance of attorneys in political positions, or do they just gravitate there?
  4. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    20 Apr '10 07:03
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    eight engineers, one lawyer/economist (ranked at 7 of 9).
    Explains those incredible people skills.
  5. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    20 Apr '10 10:16 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Explains those incredible people skills.
    .........you saying who else but engineers could have analyzed the 'problem'*, and addressed it by recommending the most cost effective way of 'dealing'** with the 'problem'......

















    * unsustainable population growth
    ** drowned at birth
  6. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    20 Apr '10 10:33
    Who would have know that zeeblebot would have an inferiority complex about his degree.
  7. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    20 Apr '10 10:45
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    does democracy really need a preponderance of attorneys in political positions, or do they just gravitate there?
    ....there ain't no such thing as gravity dude, they are kept in place by their ability to suck!!...
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    20 Apr '10 12:08
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    does democracy really need a preponderance of attorneys in political positions, or do they just gravitate there?
    It's part of having a Constitution that is above the Party, and of having more than one Party. Dissent is tolerated and with it come lawyers.
  9. 20 Apr '10 16:41
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    It's part of having a Constitution that is above the Party, and of having more than one Party. Dissent is tolerated and with it come lawyers.
    yeah, but you'd think that with the bad rep lawyers have it would serve as a disincentive to voters to elect them.
  10. 20 Apr '10 16:44
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Who would have know that zeeblebot would have an inferiority complex about his degree.
    in 20 years beijing has gone from a dusty, crowded hovel to a shiny, less-dusty, crowded metropolis.

    they've built up an trade deficit the rest of the world can only envy.

    and successfully resisted so far attempts to upscale their currency.

    and they've mostly eschewed adventurism since taking over tibet.

    etc., etc.

    any parallels out there?
  11. 20 Apr '10 16:45
    images.google.com: beijing skyline

    http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=beijing+skyline&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
  12. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    20 Apr '10 16:47
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    in 20 years beijing has gone from a dusty, crowded hovel to a shiny, less-dusty, crowded metropolis.

    they've built up an trade deficit the rest of the world can only envy.

    and successfully resisted so far attempts to upscale their currency.

    and they've mostly eschewed adventurism since taking over tibet.

    etc., etc.

    any parallels out there?
    The Egyptian pyramids?

    Did you become a Party fan before or after you learned some were engineers?
  13. 20 Apr '10 16:53 / 2 edits
    you had to go back that far?

    re "Party fan", i think you'd find very few people in China who want to go back to the old days. relatively.
  14. 20 Apr '10 17:00
    hmm, the current VP's father was on the 12th CPC Central Committee. fell out of favor over criticism of Mao in the 60's, later was governor of Guangdong, lastly fell out of favor over criticism of the Tienanmen massacre.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Zhongxun
  15. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    20 Apr '10 17:08
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    you had to go back that far?

    re "Party fan", i think you'd find very few people in China who want to go back to the old days. relatively.
    It's just the nicest example, graphically and ideologically.

    So you're a fan of the current Party, but not of Mao. That's ok, it's what I meant. Don't be shy. When did it happen? Before or after you found out they were engineers?