Originally posted by WajomaThere you go again.
Communism is based on collectivism. It's about turning individuals into ants.
I don't often hear from you, but when I do, it's utter garbage. I expect nothing less from you.
Now, go back to the history books, philosophy lessons and internet websites and have a wee peek.
I'm sure someone you know is able to read, get them to spell it out for you.
That's a good boy.
Originally posted by shavixmirAnd those brave commies, men of honor, have nothing to do with the ones after them, corrupted and dictatorial... and specially, they have nothing to do with you or RedMike: Spreading 'communism' at a chess forum, LMAO!
Utter rubbish.
Communists are the people who opposed Hitler in Nazi Germany, the brave people who fought Franco in Spain and the suffering individuals who stood up to Stalin in Russia.
A communist is someone who wants production and distribution under control of those that produce. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Your propaganda is not onl ...[text shortened]... ng, it's also inaccurate and making a mock of history.
Your children will be ashamed of you.
So, please, wash your mouth before saying their names, because I do not see you or the other commies around spilling your blood in the battlefields, like real men and women.
You 'desk commies' have no right to use the names of the REAL ones.
Nuff said.
Originally posted by shavixmirWho'se oversimplifying now? One factor that ruins communism is the universal demand for individual ownership. If everything is owned by the state, that alone is motivation for sly individuals to own the entire system. What say you about that? Sounds like dictatorship to me.
Utter rubbish.
Communists are the people who opposed Hitler in Nazi Germany, the brave people who fought Franco in Spain and the suffering individuals who stood up to Stalin in Russia.
A communist is someone who wants production and distribution under control of those that produce. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Your propaganda is not onl ...[text shortened]... ng, it's also inaccurate and making a mock of history.
Your children will be ashamed of you.
The dictator is the ulimate poster child for the saying he who has the gold makes the rules.
Originally posted by sonhouseWell you can stop right there, because even fully-realized and "pure" Communism as espoused by Marx and Lenin (the latter of quite an authoritarian bent) does not feature an all-powerful State that owns everything. Moreover there are more libertarian flavors of "communism" that blend to become "anarchosyndicalism" that are as different from Marxist-Leninism as Buddhism is from Christianity.
If everything is owned by the state,
Originally posted by SoothfastOk, fair enough. Where are these alternate states? I know about Venezuala, Cuba, North Korea, Red China. Who else professes communist regimes? Not just theoretical ones it sounds like you are describing.
Well you can stop right there, because even fully-realized and "pure" Communism as espoused by Marx and Lenin (the latter of quite an authoritarian bent) does not feature an all-powerful State that owns everything. Moreover there are more libertarian flavors of "communism" that blend to become "anarchosyndicalism" that are as different from Marxist-Leninism as Buddhism is from Christianity.
Originally posted by sonhouseThey don't exist. No genuinely Communist state of any stripe has ever existed. Only dictatorships that sell themselves as "communist" or "socialist" have existed (or continue to exist). As I've said before, a lot of things are done in the name of "Communism" just as a lot of things are done in the name of "Christianity" or "Islam". Dictatorships don't generally get started by selling themselves as dictatorships.
Ok, fair enough. Where are these alternate states?
Originally posted by SoothfastThey certainly do. Collectively though, people are just too hopeful to see it.
They don't exist. No genuinely Communist state of any stripe has ever existed. Only dictatorships that sell themselves as "communist" or "socialist" have existed (or continue to exist). As I've said before, a lot of things are done in the name of "Communism" just as a lot of things are done in the name of "Christianity" or "Islam". Dictatorships don't generally get started by selling themselves as dictatorships.
Anytime some strongman comes in telling people how great his communist leadership is going to be, he's selling himself as a dictator. People just don't see it.
I would guess it's because they want so badly to believe the message, that they allow themselves to be sold on it.
Kinds like a person wanting their new car to be as great as the salesman says, so they believe him.
Originally posted by Soothfasthmm.
They don't exist. No genuinely Communist state of any stripe has ever existed. Only dictatorships that sell themselves as "communist" or "socialist" have existed (or continue to exist). As I've said before, a lot of things are done in the name of "Communism" just as a lot of things are done in the name of "Christianity" or "Islam". Dictatorships don't generally get started by selling themselves as dictatorships.
communism (some possible attributes):
- theoretical.
- unachievable.
- feasible only as an excuse for a revolution to be followed by an oligarchy or dictatorship.
- or if it happened to be achieved, would at some point be followed by an oligarchy or dictatorship.
questions:
does "No genuinely Communist state of any stripe has ever existed." include pre-industrial civilizations? e.g., pre-50's Tibet, isolated societies wherever, the ancient Greek island "", etc.?
is urbanism inherently incompatible with communism/socialism?