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The Curse of Barbaric Culture and Religion

The Curse of Barbaric Culture and Religion

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From Quora:
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On December 4, 1829, the winter sun hung low over Calcutta as a quiet revolution unfolded—not with muskets or barricades, but with a stroke of the pen. Lord William Bentinck, Governor-General of British India, signed Regulation XVII, abolishing the ancient practice of sati, the ritual immolation of Hindu widows upon their husbands’ funeral pyres. For centuries it had lingered in pockets of the subcontinent: a widow, often scarcely more than a girl, drugged or coerced, bound to the timber and swallowed by flame while priests chanted and crowds looked on. Travelers wrote of the screams; Indian reformers like Rammohan Roy begged for intervention.

And now, at last, the ban had come. The decree stirred fury among some Indian leaders, who insisted that custom was sacred, that outsiders had no right to interfere with the rituals of their civilization. But when Hindu priests confronted British General Charles James Napier, demanding the right to continue the practice in his jurisdiction, he delivered the most uncompromising reply ever uttered by a British officer in India. He listened patiently to their arguments, then said: “Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.” The priests withdrew. No pyre was lit. Napier’s words—cold as a saber’s edge—cut through the fog of cultural excuses and stand as a reminder that morality does not bow simply because tradition demands it.

It is fashionable today to say that all cultures must be understood on their own terms, that judgment is arrogance, that one civilization must never criticize another. But sati was not a dance, a festival, or a dialect—it was the burning alive of a human being. And in our own age there are practices just as cruel, wrapped in the same protective cloak of “culture”: the forced genital cutting of young girls in parts of Africa and the Middle East; the Taliban’s brutal confinement of Afghan women; so-called “honor killings” in South Asia and the Levant; child brides in rural Yemen and northern Nigeria. These are not quaint customs. They are wounds inflicted on the defenseless—acts of domination masquerading as heritage. Napier understood what too few modern voices dare say aloud: that respect for cultures does not require surrender to barbarism.

On this day, December 4, 1829, the British ban on sati did not eradicate every immolation. But it marked a turning point—a moment when a government, imperfect as all governments are, drew a line and said: No more. And perhaps that is the lesson worth carrying forward. Admire the beauty and diversity of civilizations, yes—but never let reverence for culture smother the duty to protect the vulnerable. In the contest between tradition and the life of an individual, civilization stands or falls on the side it chooses.
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As long as the innocent are crying out for help, nations and govts that are able to do so, should help. I seem to remember you were leaning on the side of allowing these barbaric practices to continue.



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I dunno, getting rid of all religion, is, despite what John Lennon said, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Of course, I'd be all for removing the hypocrites from all religions.


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Don't forget female genitalia mutilation in Africa. Still going on in some places today.


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I'd like to second that, but in the absence of that I'd live with the cessation of weird and unnatural practices, like the celibacy of Catholic priests, and Muslim women having to cover their heads. I'm prepared to be corrected, but I don't think there's anything in the Bible or Koran which says that any of that has to happen. These are man - made practices (and I use the word 'man' advisedly) , and as for young women throwing themselves onto funeral pyres, the less of that kind of thing which goes on the better....


@Indonesia-Phil said
I'd like to second that, but in the absence of that I'd live with the cessation of weird and unnatural practices, like the celibacy of Catholic priests, and Muslim women having to cover their heads. I'm prepared to be corrected, but I don't think there's anything in the Bible or Koran which says that any of that has to happen. These are man - made practices (and I use ...[text shortened]... throwing themselves onto funeral pyres, the less of that kind of thing which goes on the better....
Just like sonhouse, you did not appear to read the opening post. This thread is about both culture and religion, as they tend to influence each other. Widows did not throw themselves on to the fire. They were drugged or forced. Also celibacy and womens clothes are not the issue. The issue is killing, or damaging permanently innocent people. In what world do you live that is causing you to equate murder with these petty matters.

There are many good things about religion and people like you that promote the idea of ending all religion [which is impossible], come off as the extremists. Many practice their religion in peace and harmony, interfering with no one. Yet you seem to want to inflict your opinion on these people.

Islam is the only dangerous religion in the world, and your attempt to equate these monsters with the rest of the religious communities all over the world who are peaceful, docile and harmless, is really extreme.


@Rajk999 said
Just like sonhouse, you did not appear to read the opening post. This thread is about both culture and religion, as they tend to influence each other. Widows did not throw themselves on to the fire. They were drugged or forced. Also celibacy and womens clothes are not the issue. The issue is killing, or damaging permanently innocent people. In what world do you live tha ...[text shortened]... e religious communities all over the world who are peaceful, docile and harmless, is really extreme.
Okay, well in the first place I'll make 'the issue' whatever I want to make the issue, as may everybody, unless this is to become a dictatorship?

And I quite appreciate the attributes of religion, as I have said many times in these forums, however I and millions of others live quite happily without belief in any god; you may not be able to live without yours, but it can be done, and if I can do it, anyone (and therefore everyone) can do it. Many do indeed practice their religion in peace and harmony, like the vast, vast majority of Muslims who you seem hell - bent on vilifying as a collective entity. And before you say it, no, I don't condone acts of violence, by anybody.

As for extremity, is it any more 'extreme' not to believe in a mythical, all powerful creator entity than it is to believe in one? The latter seems natural to you, because that's what you've been raised to be, but by any objective thought or analysis....Extremism is in the eye of the beholder.

And finally, I'm not 'inflicting' my opinions on anyone, any more than are you, what are you on about? I'm expressing opinions, perceptions and perspectives, because this is a 'debates' forum, and it's what we do here.


@Rajk999 said
Just like sonhouse, you did not appear to read the opening post. This thread is about both culture and religion, as they tend to influence each other. Widows did not throw themselves on to the fire. They were drugged or forced. Also celibacy and womens clothes are not the issue. The issue is killing, or damaging permanently innocent people. In what world do you live tha ...[text shortened]... e religious communities all over the world who are peaceful, docile and harmless, is really extreme.
Any religion in the wrong hands is dangerous.

History has shown this.


@Rajk999 said


Islam is the only dangerous religion in the world, and your attempt to equate these monsters with the rest of the religious communities all over the world who are peaceful, docile and harmless, is really extreme.
So apparently the troubles in Northern Ireland was due to Islam?


@kmax87 said
So apparently the troubles in Northern Ireland was due to Islam?
Many states have wars and problems. It is only in Islam this war, fighting, killing of unbelievers, these atrocities are condoned in the Holy Books.


@Rajk999 said
Many states have wars and problems. It is only in Islam this war, fighting, killing of unbelievers, these atrocities are condoned in the Holy Books.
Well generational fighting and blood fueds go on forever. No religion required.


@kmax87 said
Well generational fighting and blood fueds go on forever. No religion required.
I dont know about forever. In the case of Northern Ireland it lasted about 30 years. What lasts forever is when the violence and killing is commanded by the religion. You keep trying to equate the rest of the peaceful world with the murderous doctrine of Islam. You cannot fool people with that nonsense.


@Rajk999 said
I dont know about forever. In the case of Northern Ireland it lasted about 30 years. What lasts forever is when the violence and killing is commanded by the religion. You keep trying to equate the rest of the peaceful world with the murderous doctrine of Islam. You cannot fool people with that nonsense.
The peaceful world? Have you heard about a place called Europe? There were periods of peace to be sure, but war was a constant. There was always a location where some group was sticking to another for at least a thousand years.

You seem to think that human nature needs an ideology to be violent, despotic, evil. My argument is that history has long catalogued that humanity is quite capable of inhumanity all on its own without any help from a belief system or a holy book.