OK Sorry its not a thread about donuts but here's one just incase;
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/fusion-reactor-3.jpg
its a magic donut that produces endless power but will probably never exist on earth.
No this thread is about CANNABIS!!
Science quiz - name the one plant you are genticaly programmed to recognise, not an alkaloid hitting a receptor by accident, programmed to recognise. I guess you folks needn't look it up.
The market, 7 million strong in the UK must go legal, its fine by me a ok. but a financial hemorrhage to the government. do the math!
i was suprised in the requiem for a dream thread how the posters all seemed to agree with me (i thought the site was a little older and conservative for some rc reason!)
but please disagree with me if you will, i'd like a discussion.. maybe theres no debate because you all agree. if so. WHY HAS IT NOT HAPPENED... ðŸ˜
Originally posted by KazetNagorrain the uk per gram it now goes for more then gold (the good stuff off course) and thats no exageration holland is about the same price. do you think thats note worthy?
You would like to discuss the size of the cannabis market? What's remarkable about it?
i've said before it adds up to at least one supermarket chains worth full of money each year vanished from the economy - it needn't, it could be cheaper and that money come back - but it takes a big chunk of uk disposable income esp in the under 30s who pretty much all use it.
Originally posted by e4chrisIllegality does tend to increase prices, and cannabis is no exception.
in the uk per gram it now goes for more then gold (the good stuff off course) and thats no exageration holland is about the same price. do you think thats note worthy?
i've said before it adds up to at least one supermarket chains worth full of money each year vanished from the economy - it needn't, it could be cheaper and that money come back - but it takes a big chunk of uk disposable income esp in the under 30s who pretty much all use it.
I don't understand what you mean by "money [vanishing] from the economy", surely the sellers of cannabis don't all incinerate their money? The problems associated with the illegality of cannabis would not be money "vanishing", but:
- inefficiencies due to a lack of large-scale production
- a waste of law enforcement resources
- the government losing tax revenue
- potential dangers to public health due to a lack of oversight on production; legalized cannabis could be effectively regulated
Originally posted by KazetNagorraits interesting that uk black market prices and dutch legal prices are very similar - its just in holland there is a reliable supply and milder cannabis can be bought at a fair price - where we should be going unless we want to loose a supermarket sized chunk of money each year - its billions, for many young people it eclipses there entire retail spending, that can't be good for the economy. I don't worry about them taking it, they cause just as much trouble with booze, even the drink industry is suffering at the cost of this black market, all shops are.
Illegality does tend to increase prices, and cannabis is no exception.
I don't understand what you mean by "money [vanishing] from the economy", surely the sellers of cannabis don't all incinerate their money? The problems associated with the illegality of cannabis would not be money "vanishing", but:
- inefficiencies due to a lack of large-scale pr ...[text shortened]... ue to a lack of oversight on production; legalized cannabis could be effectively regulated
Originally posted by e4chrisCannabis has not been legalized in the Netherlands.
its interesting that uk black market prices and dutch legal prices are very similar - its just in holland there is a reliable supply and milder cannabis can be bought at a fair price - where we should be going unless we want to loose a supermarket sized chunk of money each year - its billions, for many young people it eclipses there entire retail spending, t ...[text shortened]... h booze, even the drink industry is suffering at the cost of this black market, all shops are.
Originally posted by e4chrisPossession and sale of small quantities of cannabis has been decriminalized, i.e. it's still illegal but the law is not enforced. Production is illegal. This peculiar combination of illegality and non-enforcement is called gedoogbeleid in Dutch (tolerance policy).
oh rubbish what on earth are those cannabis cafe things my friends were smoking in last week??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands#Non-enforcement
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThat means the retail market is LEGAL -
Possession and sale of small quantities of cannabis has been decriminalized, i.e. it's still illegal but the law is not enforced. Production is illegal. This peculiar combination of illegality and non-enforcement is called gedoogbeleid in Dutch (tolerance policy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands#Non-enforcement
What matters is the effect on the consumer, the fact dutch can buy there smoke at a fair price and spend the rest of there money else where - and they have a healthy retail sector as a result - weed is not sucking up all the young folks money. the legal technicalities are inconsiquential.
Originally posted by e4chrisNo, it's not. Selling cheese is legal. You can buy as much cheese as you want and sell as much of it as you want. And then you pay VAT on the cheese you sell.
That means the retail market is LEGAL -
What matters is the effect on the consumer, the fact dutch can buy there smoke at a fair price and spend the rest of there money else where - and they have a healthy retail sector as a result - weed is not sucking up all the young folks money. the legal technicalities are inconsiquential.
Coffee shop owners are NOT allowed to buy ANY cannabis at all! In addition, there are regulations as to how much they can store, and the county can revoke their license at any time for any reason. Some parts, especially in rural areas, barely have any coffee shops anymore - for example, there are only two in Zeeland province. They also don't pay VAT over the sold cannabis and the sale and production is not documented.
Because the production of cannabis is illegal, production is often done on a small scale and the price is much higher than necessary as a result.
The people that I know that smoke it, their whole lives revolve around pot. All of their money goes towards it, so they are always broke, and none of them can hold down decent jobs because of drug testing. All they do is plot a scheme to earn enough money to get high again.
I find it all pretty sad and pathetic myself.
As for the legalization of it, we live in a police state, or hadn't you noticed? I think they prefer to have the right to throw you in jail if they wish. There is also the issue of the high prices of pot. They may not be taxed but my guess is a lot of the illegal drug money is flowing to politicians under the table. If so, why on earth would they legalize it?
