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Israel has caved to international pressure and will now allow into Gaza everything except weapons and items which have primarily military uses.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37815570/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa
The brave members of the Gaza flotilla did not die in vain; the situation of the people in Gaza will be improved because of their sacrifice. Kudos to these heroes and may they rest in peace.
Originally posted by no1marauderand Hamas, of course, refuses to take "yes" for an answer.
Israel has caved to international pressure and will now allow into Gaza everything except weapons and items which have primarily military uses.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37815570/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa
The brave members of the Gaza flotilla did not die in vain; the situation of the people in Gaza will be improved because of their sacrifice. Kudos to these heroes and may they rest in peace.
A Hamas Cabinet minister, Ziad al-Zaza, rejected the Israeli decision, calling it "deception." He told The Associated Press the blockade must be lifted completely "to allow Gaza to import all necessary materials, particularly cement, iron, raw materials for industry and agriculture, as well as import and export between Gaza and the world."
Originally posted by sh76Good for them. Keep the pressure on.
and Hamas, of course, refuses to take "yes" for an answer.
A Hamas Cabinet minister, Ziad al-Zaza, rejected the Israeli decision, calling it "deception." He told The Associated Press the blockade must be lifted completely "to allow Gaza to import all necessary materials, particularly cement, iron, raw materials for industry and agriculture, as well as import and export between Gaza and the world."
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Originally posted by no1marauderNot everything. Construction material they (Israel) say can still be used militarily.
Israel has caved to international pressure and will now allow into Gaza everything except weapons and items which have primarily military uses.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37815570/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa
The brave members of the Gaza flotilla did not die in vain; the situation of the people in Gaza will be improved because of their sacrifice. Kudos to these heroes and may they rest in peace.
Israel can still bomb Gaza back to stoneage, and the civilian population cannot rebuild their buildings.
If the blockade is down - does this mean that the next aid ship can reach Gaza ports with no problems? I don't think so. Israel will still not let them. More meaningless killings will be done from the Israeli part.
The concentration camp, Gaza, will still be closed by the über-commando Israel.
Originally posted by FabianFnasFrom the article:
Not everything. Construction material they (Israel) say can still be used militarily.
Israel can still bomb Gaza back to stoneage, and the civilian population cannot rebuild their buildings.
If the blockade is down - does this mean that the next aid ship can reach Gaza ports with no problems? I don't think so. Israel will still not let them. More mean ...[text shortened]... sraeli part.
The concentration camp, Gaza, will still be closed by the über-commando Israel.
In a critical shift, Israel said it would allow construction materials into Gaza for projects approved by the Palestinian Authority, such as housing and schools, as long as the projects are under international supervision.
Of course this isn't an adequate solution, but it is a step that will alleviate some suffering of the people of Gaza. For that we can thank the people who died in the flotilla.
Originally posted by FabianFnasThey were saying that they would shot the next Turkey ship that was headed to Gaza even if it had any political member in it.
If the blockade is down - does this mean that the next aid ship can reach Gaza ports with no problems?
There is also two aid ships going from Lebanon, one of them called Miriam that has nothing but female activists in it, and Israel already said that they will board it just like they boarded the Freedom Flotilla.
Also the Hebrew version of this story released by Israel made no mention of loosening the blockade, only the English version said so.
I'm highly skeptical of all of this take by Israel about easing the blockade.
If all of this comes to nothing after all I still think it is a victory. The Israeli government felt the need to lie to ease international pressure - Normally they just don't give a f***.
Originally posted by no1marauderIsrael will still want to have control over what they let in to Gaza and what not. The next aid ship will be treated the same as the ones before. Mark my words.
From the article:
In a critical shift, Israel said it would allow construction materials into Gaza for projects approved by the Palestinian Authority, such as housing and schools, as long as the projects are under international supervision.
Of course this isn't an adequate solution, but it is a step that will alleviate some suffering of the people of Gaza. For that we can thank the people who died in the flotilla.
Originally posted by FabianFnasSo what if it is? The main problem with the blockade is that it was keeping out vital supplies that the Gazans need. The organizers had no problem with the Turks inspecting the cargo to verify that no military supplies were onboard; they objected to being diverted to an Israeli port because they knew that all aid supplies wouldn't be allowed through.
Israel will still want to have control over what they let in to Gaza and what not. The next aid ship will be treated the same as the ones before. Mark my words.
IF everything in the aid ships is allowed in after inspection then what is the big deal?
Originally posted by no1marauderRight, agreed, if the turkish inspection gave clearance, then what has Israel got to do with it. Israel could inspected the cargo, peacefully, when it entered Israeli waters, not in international waters. But it wouldn't enter Israeli waters in the first place. So this shouldn't be an Israeli problem to begin with.
So what if it is? The main problem with the blockade is that it was keeping out vital supplies that the Gazans need. The organizers had no problem with the Turks inspecting the cargo to verify that no military supplies were onboard; they objected to being diverted to an Israeli port because they knew that all aid supplies wouldn't be allowed through.
...[text shortened]... IF everything in the aid ships is allowed in after inspection then what is the big deal?
Israel has already admitted they did a criminal act, since they invegistagete their criminal act, and that is good start. And they admit that their blockade was too severe, since they loosen it.
Originally posted by FabianFnasNobody has admitted to anything being a criminal act.
Israel has already admitted they did a criminal act, since they invegistagete their criminal act, and that is good start. And they admit that their blockade was too severe, since they loosen it.
For those perhaps not familiar with hose "criminal acts" are investigated...
First you do the investigation. Then, after the investigation, depending on the results, you determine whether the act was criminal. Until then, it's an "alleged" criminal act.
Originally posted by sh76And the criminal act of Israel is investigated by Israel themselves.
Nobody has admitted to anything being a criminal act.
For those perhaps not familiar with hose "criminal acts" are investigated...
First you do the investigation. Then, after the investigation, depending on the results, you determine whether the act was criminal. Until then, it's an "alleged" criminal act.
Who did OJ Simson investigation in his trial? OJ Simson himeslf?
When the Israel criminal act is investigated by an independed investigation, then we will see some independed results.
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou missed my point. You said (or at least strongly implied) that by investigating the issue, Israel is admitting that their conduct was criminal. I am merely pointing out that such assertion has no basis in logic or reality. Whether Israel should allow an independent investigation is another kettle of fish. Obviously Israel doesn't trust representatives of countries that condemn it like clockwork to be impartial. Frankly, I think that an Israeli investigation with neutral observers is a fair compromise.
And the criminal act of Israel is investigated by Israel themselves.
Who did OJ Simson investigation in his trial? OJ Simson himeslf?
When the Israel criminal act is investigated by an independed investigation, then we will see some independed results.
Your complete disregard for and confusion regarding procedural steps in a criminal investigation is almost comical. "When the Israel criminal act is investigated by an independed investigation"??? Really?? Do you not even notice that you draw a conclusion and then demand an "investigation" on the issue on which you have already drawn a conclusion? And, this is not an isolated incident. You constantly use words that imply legal conclusions when you refer to Israel and consistently assume the conclusions that your arguments set out to prove. Now, if you don't really mean to do this, but are doing so due to a language barrier, then I apologize. But it does not appear that this is the case.
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Originally posted by sh76By not letting the investigation be totally independant, they are afraid that the world will see that they really are criminal, therfore they conduct the investigation themselves, deciding what facts will be on the table and what facts won't. Could OJ simsom do the same thing? No. Why? Because then all the facts would not be known.
You missed my point. You said (or at least strongly implied) that by investigating the issue, Israel is admitting that their conduct was criminal. I am merely pointing out that such assertion has no basis in logic or reality. Whether Israel should allow an independent investigation is another kettle of fish. Obviously Israel doesn't trust representatives of cou due to a language barrier, then I apologize. But it does not appear that this is the case.
When they decided that they would lift the blockade (lift the blockade? Yeah, right!) then they of course know that they were wrong from the first day of the blockade. This criminal blockade, not sanctionned by the free worlds security council, they don't want to brin gin the light. Like a fraudolous politician deny that he's committed a fraud, but yeat repay the money.
They have the world against them. Why? Because the world think they are awrong? Or because whole the wolrld is a bunch of nazis? There is a reason that Israel has the lights upon them. There is a reason that the world see Israel as the bad boy in the community. What will that reason be, I wonder...?