@Mott-The-Hoople saidTrump was right? You mean when he said ingest disinfectant, kills covid in minutes? Or the hundreds of thousands of covid deaths that could have been prevented if Trump had given a crap about actual Americans but he said, I didn't want to cause panic. A PUSSY response, a non leader response. A LEADER would have said it like it was, trying his best to reduce the deaths but Trump didn't give a rats ass who died.
go on and say it...;TRUMP WAS RIGHT
@no1marauder saidlefties can never accept responsibility, always an excuse
The "judgment of history" lasts longer than one election cycle (though your theory doesn't explain why someone like Kathy Whitmer won re-election by a double digit margin in a swing State in 2022).
I'm sure German government officials in 1936 were crowing about the "judgment of history" vindicating their scrapping of treaty restrictions, building up of the military, g ...[text shortened]... ures, etc. etc. etc.
Probably the "judgment of history" looked a little different 10 years later.
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@sh76
Let's look at Page 300:
[quote]Finding: The U.S. Food and Drug Administration and Other Public Health Officials Falsely Implied that Ivermectin Was Only for Horses and Cows.
Throughout the pandemic, in the face of a deadly disease for which there were minimal treatments available, many doctors explored the use of drugs which were already approved for other ...[text shortened]... orms. Not mammals. Not viruses because viruses don't have a nematode nervous system (Surprise! Not.)
Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.
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A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.
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Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.
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Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essential medicines.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
why would biden ban Ivermectin?
@sonhouse saidrepeat the lie till you are blue in the face, its still a lie
Trump was right? You mean when he said ingest disinfectant, kills covid in minutes? Or the hundreds of thousands of covid deaths that could have been prevented if Trump had given a crap about actual Americans but he said, I didn't want to cause panic. A PUSSY response, a non leader response. A LEADER would have said it like it was, trying his best to reduce the deaths but Trump didn't give a rats ass who died.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidAnd OF COURSE this is total BS:
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Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.
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A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.
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Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.
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Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essen ...[text shortened]... s://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
why would biden ban Ivermectin?
"Ivermectin is a medication used for parasitic infections (primarily worms) and is safe when used at recommended doses. Ivermectin has not been proven to treat COVID-19, and it can cause harm. "
Yep, who the FUUK cares about actual science when there are conspiracy nuts like MOOT floating around.
https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/jama-ivermectin-study.html
One bit from this report:
:Ivermectin and COVID-19
Ivermectin entered the American lexicon as a possible treatment for COVID-19 when Pierre Kory, M.D., a pulmonologist and president of Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) testified before a U.S. Senate committee hearing in December 2020. Kory called ivermectin a “miracle drug” against COVID-19 and urged the government to issue prescription guidelines for its use in treating the coronavirus.
Prior to Kory’s testimony, Australian researchers in the spring of 2020 had observed that ivermectin killed the coronavirus in a laboratory setting. But a story in The Seattle Times pointed out that the amount used in the lab was much higher than the approved use for humans and could be fatal."
@sonhouse saidI will tell you what is BS.
And OF COURSE this is total BS:
"Ivermectin is a medication used for parasitic infections (primarily worms) and is safe when used at recommended doses. Ivermectin has not been proven to treat COVID-19, and it can cause harm. "
Yep, who the FUUK cares about actual science when there are conspiracy nuts like MOOT floating around.
https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news- ...[text shortened]... hat the amount used in the lab was much higher than the approved use for humans and could be fatal."
biden admin changing the definition of vaccine so they could allow big pharma to get rich from something that isnt a vaccine.
Never was and still isnt a vaccine to stop covid19.
Sure you can find a liberal doctor that tells you what they want you to hear. Fauci lied and you bought every word of it.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidIt wasn't banned. But even its developer, Merck, says not to use it for COVID:
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Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.
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A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.
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Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.
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Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essen ...[text shortened]... s://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
why would biden ban Ivermectin?
" Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:
No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.".
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
@no1marauder saidCiting the UW model is not really a prediction, but obviously it turned out to be overly optimistic (although it was limited to the first wave).
Unfortunately, I now find it impossible to research posts in the past here because I get a never-ending scroll rather than separate pages after 25 threads or so. But if you want to insist your level of COVID minimization was merely 60,000 deaths or so, the question still stands.
Covid was a bad thing. It caused a lot of death. I'm not denying that.
What I'm arguing is that most of the mitigation measures taken were both useless and unnecessary and some were harmful.
@sh76 saidAnd what impressive support you've posted for that argument in this thread i.e. that a bunch of right wing Republicans said so in a political document, that a few so-called experts who went against the overwhelming scientific consensus are being promoted by a borderline idiot and your guess as to what popular opinion looking back now is.
Citing the UW model is not really a prediction, but obviously it turned out to be overly optimistic (although it was limited to the first wave).
Covid was a bad thing. It caused a lot of death. I'm not denying that.
What I'm arguing is that most of the mitigation measures taken were both useless and unnecessary and some were harmful.
My own view is that COVID minimizers like yourself bear some of the moral responsibility for the tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by political hacks like DeSantis (with those like you cheering him on) ignoring the scientific consensus to pander to the ignorant and misinformed.
Only in America.
Oh wait. The response to the pandemic was, in large, the same in most countries.
Why would that be?
Because there are sensible precautions that are taken when a new disease strikes.
Abandoning these precautions is complete madness. That’s why.
The covid vaccinations aren’t vaccines?
God damn. So flu vaccines aren’t vaccines? Measles vaccines aren’t vaccines?
Fvcking nutters, the lot of you.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidAnd this proves ivermectin is a miracle drug how?
I will tell you what is BS.
biden admin changing the definition of vaccine so they could allow big pharma to get rich from something that isnt a vaccine.
Never was and still isnt a vaccine to stop covid19.
Sure you can find a liberal doctor that tells you what they want you to hear. Fauci lied and you bought every word of it.
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@no1marauder saidthis merck?
It wasn't banned. But even its developer, Merck, says not to use it for COVID:
" Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:
No scientific basis for a potential th ...[text shortened]... ion.".
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/14/merck-drug-prices-us-healthcare-big-pharma
and yes Ivermectine was banned for covid 19
“Today, the TGA, acting on the advice of the Advisory Committee for Medicines Scheduling, has placed new restrictions on the prescribing of oral ivermectin. General practitioners are now only able to prescribe ivermectin for TGA-approved conditions (indications) - scabies and certain parasitic infections”
https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/new-restrictions-prescribing-ivermectin-covid-19
@no1marauder saidWhat "scientific consensus" is there that mask mandates or 6-foot distancing or closing hiking trails and skate parks helped at all?
And what impressive support you've posted for that argument in this thread i.e. that a bunch of right wing Republicans said so in a political document, that a few so-called experts who went against the overwhelming scientific consensus are being promoted by a borderline idiot and your guess as to what popular opinion looking back now is.
My own view is that COVID minim ...[text shortened]... ke you cheering him on) ignoring the scientific consensus to pander to the ignorant and misinformed.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThe Biden administration doesn't run the TGA, which is Australian.
this merck?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/14/merck-drug-prices-us-healthcare-big-pharma
and yes Ivermectine was banned for covid 19
“Today, the TGA, acting on the advice of the Advisory Committee for Medicines Scheduling, has placed new restrictions on the prescribing of oral ivermectin. General practitioners are now only able to prescrib ...[text shortened]... ns”
https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/new-restrictions-prescribing-ivermectin-covid-19
@sh76 saidI wasted enough time with COVID deniers and minimizers while the pandemic was raging. You're perfectly aware what the recommendations were and why they were implemented. Further argument is useless though the right wing victory lap you are engaging in is highly likely to cripple efforts to effectively respond to the next pandemic.
What "scientific consensus" is there that mask mandates or 6-foot distancing or closing hiking trails and skate parks helped at all?
The weight of evidence suggests the measures you mention saved some lives at nominal cost.