@earl-of-trumps saidHow do you know the protestors aren't the ones buying the guns to defend themselves from fascist little green men?
With the "Defund the Police" movement raging across America, people have been
purchasing weapons like the ones that the McCloskeys had for self protection.
Gun Sales In June Shatter Records, Sales Up 145%, More Than 2.3 Million Guns Sold -Total of 8.3 Million in 2020
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@AthousandYoung - How do you know the protestors aren't the ones buying the guns to defend themselves from fascist little green men?
Who's on the defensive right now?
Certainly not the protesters. They have love and support by liberal mayors and governors.
They also do a lot of damage without guns and don't have to worry about police.
On the other side, normal people, like the McCloskeys, are worried. No police.
That lets the protesters do what they want to who they want.
Also, guns and ammo are very expensive. Peaceful protesters don't have jobs!
It's kinda obvious who is worried, isn't it?
Besides, liberals don't believe you should have guns, unless they have been lying
all this time lol
@no1marauder saidIf the law can be twisted that way, and there is no margin that clearly states circumstances in which it is acceptable to have your firearm with you during a confrontation, then these laws aren't useful.
And I'd simply say that your interpretation of the law and facts would have allowed them to open fire on those marchers, kill them and then successfully plead self-defense. IF Missouri's Castle Doctrine can be successfully invoked under these circumstances as a defense to 571.030(4), it could be successfully invoked as a defense to Murder.
@wolfgang59 saidIsn't this where someone quotes Sun Tzu
If they were scared they would have stayed inside their home.
You are as thick as mud.
The best defense is the best offense
@philokalia saidNobody would be stupid enough to do that.
Isn't this where someone quotes Sun Tzu
The best defense is the best offense
Not even on this forum.
@philokalia saidExactly.
Isn't this where someone quotes Sun Tzu
The best defense is the best offense
Who knows what violent invaders would have done differently had they not
been confronted with an obvious deterrent, which of course, is all the show of
weapons ever was for the McCloskeys, a deterrent.
Personally, I think they should have the right to fire warning shots.
@earl-of-trumps saidThe "who knows" standard has not been adopted as a justification for threatening or using lethal force in any jurisdiction I'm aware of.
Exactly.
Who knows what violent invaders would have done differently had they not
been confronted with an obvious deterrent, which of course, is all the show of
weapons ever was for the McCloskeys, a deterrent.
Personally, I think they should have the right to fire warning shots.
The "violent invaders" walked by the McCloskeys' and a bunch of other houses on their way to a peaceful demonstration at the mayor's house.
@philokalia saidI don't know what "law" you are familiar with, but it seems rather obvious that IF you are legally allowed to threaten someone with a gun in self-defense, you should be able to use that gun in self-defense. So the inevitable logic of your position here is that the McCloskeys would have been legally justified to start shooting the "violent invaders" as Earl imagines them.
If the law can be twisted that way, and there is no margin that clearly states circumstances in which it is acceptable to have your firearm with you during a confrontation, then these laws aren't useful.
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@earl-of-trumps saidWho is being attacked by government men with guns? Yes, many of the protestors have jobs. You are falling for right wing propaganda. Everybody I know who actually lives there says the protestors are harmless. It's only people from far away who talk about how they are destructive unemployed outcasts of society. But that's ok. Right wing inability to see reality keeps biting them in the butt. No, COVID didn't go away in summer. No, trickle down economics doesn't work, and no, the protestors aren't outcasts from society, they ARE society. They ARE the people, and yes, they can afford guns. And what liberals don't believe you should have guns? Joe Biden who recommends shotguns? I think you are allowing yourself to be convinced by propaganda.
@AthousandYoung - How do you know the protestors aren't the ones buying the guns to defend themselves from fascist little green men?
Who's on the defensive right now?
Certainly not the protesters. They have love and support by liberal mayors and governors.
They also do a lot of damage without guns and don't have to worry about police.
On the other side, ...[text shortened]... esides, liberals don't believe you should have guns, unless they have been lying
all this time lol
I guess we need to have the Black Panthers start openly carrying firearms again before you conservatives wake up. Reagan passed gun control in California immediately as soon as that happened lol
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/seattle-protests-CHOP-CHAZ-autonomous-zone.html
Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone
^^How did they afford the guns?!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/22/if-others-have-rifles-well-have-rifles-why-leftist-groups-are-taking-up-arms
The van lumbered down one of Seattle’s many steep hills. A half dozen people packed inside but despite the heat, most wore long pants and boots, and several sported black hoodies. The atmosphere was subdued, except for the occasional joke. It wasn’t so much tension as seriousness – there was work to be done.
The people in the van are members of the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club (PSJBGC). Their stated aim is to fight white supremacy and build community defense in America’s Pacific north-west, and their presence has become a fixture of protests in the Seattle and Tacoma areas, where the group is often invited to provide security against rightwing aggression.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck_Revolt
Redneck Revolt is an American far-left political group[1][2][3] that organizes predominantly among working-class people. The group supports gun rights and members often openly carry firearms. Its political positions are anti-capitalist, anti-racist and anti-fascist. Founded in Kansas in 2009, members were present at several protests against Donald Trump and against the far-right in 2017.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/us/a-wall-of-vets-joins-the-front-lines-of-portland-protests.html
@AThousandYoung Everybody I know who actually lives there says the protestors are harmless.
<grin> Surely, you jest. Or maybe all the people you know there are stark raving liberals.
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Who is being attacked by government men with guns? Yes, many of the protestors have jobs. You are falling for right wing propaganda. Everybody I know who actually lives there says the protestors are harmless. It's only people from far away who talk about how they are destructive unemployed outcasts of society. But that's ok. Right wing inability to see reality kee ...[text shortened]... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/us/a-wall-of-vets-joins-the-front-lines-of-portland-protests.html
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/seattle-protests-CHOP-CHAZ-autonomous-zone.html
Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone
Well this can't be. Earl says the mainstream media are not reporting on the killings in the CHOP zone.
@soothfast saidthey weren't.
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.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/seattle-protests-CHOP-CHAZ-autonomous-zone.html
Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone
Well this can't be. Earl says the mainstream media are not reporting on the killings in the CHOP zone.
I know about 5 people shot from the media. of course. But I could never get
follow up on it. I wanted to know if the critica.ly hut person died. I wanted to
know who did the shooting and who were the victims.
oh, well.
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@earl-of-trumps saidSo you don't know about anybody being shot.
they weren't.
I know about 5 people shot from the media. of course. But I could never get
follow up on it. I wanted to know if the critica.ly hut person died. I wanted to
know who did the shooting and who were the victims.
oh, well.
At least when BLM complains about people getting shot, they know who the victim was.
@earl-of-trumps saidYou'd find that in the local news, if it's to be found anywhere.
they weren't.
I know about 5 people shot from the media. of course. But I could never get
follow up on it. I wanted to know if the critica.ly hut person died. I wanted to
know who did the shooting and who were the victims.
oh, well.
What political machination to you imagine is served when the media reports on a shooting but doesn't follow up with gory details on a daily or weekly basis?
I had an acquaintance a few years ago who was killed when her car was struck by another vehicle. Days and weeks later I wanted to find out more details. Who was the other driver? Was he drunk or speeding? Etc. etc. I couldn't get hold of any information on the subject for love or money. A lot of this kind of stuff just doesn't get reported in the papers. Sometimes, as you must know, the police stay mum because there's an ongoing investigation, so there's nothing to report.