Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYes you did, DSR. And apparently the post has been removed for being racially offensive. And now you are lying about what you said in it. You are quite the miserable, misanthropic little internet race warrior aren't you? Quite willing to lie about your grubby views when you are called on it by decent people.
More verbal semantics. Actually, I did not make such a claim --
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Originally posted by FMFYou're sick. You don't even know what real racisim or bigotry is. Me calling attention to the actions of certain groups of people (whomever they may be) that engage in activities that are harmful to my well being is not racisim or bigotry. Nor is asking my government to enforce the laws racisim or bigotry. You sir, are a self-rightous twit. Go tilt at your windmills somewhere else.
Yes you did, DSR. And apparently the post has been removed for being racially offensive. And now you are lying about what you said in it. You are quite the miserable, misanthropic little internet race warrior aren't you? Quite willing to lie about your grubby views when you are called on it by decent people.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterTo suggest that certain groups of people engage in such activity because of their race is in fact
Me calling attention to the actions of certain groups of people (whomever they may be) that engage in activities that are harmful to my well being is not racisim or bigotry.
the definition of racism. To say that blacks commit more crime is a true statement. To say that
they commit more crime because they're black is a lie.
When you simply say that they commit more crime without explaining the underlying forces which
drive such statistics (poverty), then you are (as you were) guilty of bigotry because the strong
implication is that race rather than other statistically relevant characteristics drives such behavior.
In the case of your foolish statement that was conveniently erased, your claim was in the
context that illegal Mexicans commit more crime than citizens. But we know that this is
totally untrue. In fact, illegal immigrants are far, far less likely to commit violent crimes
than citizens; they've come to this country to keep a low profile and work.
Can you find exceptions? Sure, just like you can point to snow in Texas and cry about so-called
mythological global warming. But, just like that, anyone can find the most obscure and infrequent
of occurrences to justify their stance.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioYou're impossible. You think you can nullify the truth by shouting me down as a racist, but the fact is: They're engaging in more crime.
To suggest that certain groups of people engage in such activity because of their race is in fact
the definition of racism. To say that blacks commit more crime is a true statement. To say that
they commit more crime because they're black is a lie.
When you simply say that they commit more crime without explaining the underlying forces ...[text shortened]... e can find the most obscure and infrequent
of occurrences to justify their stance.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioHate to burst your apologist bubble, but illegal aliens do commit more crimes than citizens:
To suggest that certain groups of people engage in such activity because of their race is in fact
the definition of racism. To say that blacks commit more crime is a true statement. To say that
they commit more crime because they're black is a lie.
When you simply say that they commit more crime without explaining the underlying forces ...[text shortened]... e can find the most obscure and infrequent
of occurrences to justify their stance.
Nemesio
•They broke the law when they crossed the U.S. border.
•When they work off the books, then they and their employer are not paying proper payroll and Social Security taxes.
•If they live more than one family in a single family residence, then they are violating local ordinances.
•If they don't have a driver's license and still drive, they are guilty of violating traffic laws.
•If they don't have proper insurance, then they're violating that law.
Are you beginning to see a trend here?
Originally posted by NemesioAlso, illegal aliens are engaged in far more than just doing the difficult jobs that Americans won't do, as apologists like you are fond of saying. The sad truth is that criminal aliens tend to be an increasing burden on the U.S. prison systems, according to Edwin S. Rubenstein, a Manhattan Institute adjunct fellow, in his new study, "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration: An Analysis of the Costs to 15 Federal Departments and Agencies":
To suggest that certain groups of people engage in such activity because of their race is in fact
the definition of racism. To say that blacks commit more crime is a true statement. To say that
they commit more crime because they're black is a lie.
When you simply say that they commit more crime without explaining the underlying forces ...[text shortened]... e can find the most obscure and infrequent
of occurrences to justify their stance.
Nemesio
•In 1980, federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens, but at the end of 2004, about 267,000 noncitizens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities.
•Of all prisoners in federal prisons, 27 percent are criminal aliens, he found, with a total cost of $1.5 billion.
•According to a 2003 Government Accountability Office (GAO) survey, the average criminal alien was arrested for 13 prior offenses, 12 percent of which were cases of murder, robbery, assault and sexually related crimes; only 21 percent were immigration offenses, the rest being felonies.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIs 'non citizen' the same as 'criminal alien'? Just to clarify.
•In 1980, federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens, but at the end of 2004, about 267,000 noncitizens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities.
•Of all prisoners in federal prisons, 27 percent are criminal aliens, he found, with a total cost of $1.5 billion.
•According to a 2003 Government Accountability ...[text shortened]... and sexually related crimes; only 21 percent were immigration offenses, the rest being felonies.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYou think this is a joke, but I assure you, it is not. Last May, an illegal alien who sped through a stop light caused a collision that totaled both our cars. He had no insurance or verifiable employment and the police just took his car to the impound lot and sent him on his way. In the meantime I was out:
Yes, that -- never mind.
How about crimes other than those they commit by the mere fact of being there? You know, proper crime -- robbery, murder, that sort of thing?
•$1,000 for the deductible on my insurance.
•$795 for renting a car for three weeks.
•$2,250 -- the difference between the actual cost of replacing my vehicle and the Blue Book value.
•$17,900 -- the difference it cost to purchase a new vehicle and the check the insurance company cut me.
Besides the fact that this fellow could have killed us both (fortunately, he only suffered minor injuries) and the direct cost to me, the worst part of the whole experience was that the insurance company (GEICO for those who care to know) didn't give a damn about the big picture. In Texas, it is against the law to operate a car without insurance. Yet, the insurance company just raised my rates for being involved in a collision and charges me much higher rates because I drive a new car. In effect, I'm subsidizing the uninsured illegal aliens in Texas!
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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter😀
You think this is a joke, but I assure you, it is not. Last May, an illegal alien who sped through a stop light caused a collision that totaled both our cars. He had no insurance or verifiable employment and the police just took his car to the impound lot and sent him on his way. In the meantime I was out:
•$1,000 for the deductible on my ins s because I drive a new car. In effect, I'm subsidizing the uninsured illegal aliens in Texas!
This reinforces my belief in the concept of karmic retribution.
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm not surprised you believe in the concept of Karma, however, I'll remind you that if you drive a car and are properly insured, you too are subsidizing all the illegal aliens who are causing so much mayhem on our streets. Who's laughing now, monkey boy?
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This reinforces my belief in the concept of karmic retribution.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterCan you read? The statement was violent Crime. Everybody breaks the law at some time or another. Do you ever drive above the speed limit? I'm sure you've dodged taxes before too, most people have.
Hate to burst your apologist bubble, but illegal aliens do commit more crimes than citizens:
•They broke the law when they crossed the U.S. border.
•When they work off the books, then they and their employer are not paying proper payroll and Social Security taxes.
•If they live more than one family in a single family residence, then they ...[text shortened]... proper insurance, then they're violating that law.
Are you beginning to see a trend here?
Originally posted by MexicoOh but they are committing "proper crimes" as well:
Can you read? The statement was violent Crime. Everybody breaks the law at some time or another. Do you ever drive above the speed limit? I'm sure you've dodged taxes before too, most people have.
According to a 2003 Government Accountability Office (GAO) survey, the average criminal alien was arrested for 13 prior offenses, 12 percent of which were cases of murder, robbery, assault and sexually related crimes; only 21 percent were immigration offenses, the rest being felonies.
Or do you not think that murder, robbery, assault and sexually related crimes are not violent enough?