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Okay, if that is what you call an Evangelical. Personally, that fits
most Christians I know, myself included;
Are most xtians you know like Anglicans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians?
Or are they more like Baptist, Pentecostal, Assembly of God types?
The later group usually includes self-identified 'non-denominationals' and 'interdenominationals.'
however, I do differ on some of the things you have said.
Well, you know, I couldn't catch 'em all 🙂.
Originally posted by telerionYou are talking about apples and oranges in my opinion when
Yes, they do. Many Charismatics think of Evangelicals as part of three major categories in the Protestant church (THE church really since all Catholics are going to hell. 🙁 ): Traditionalists (e.g. Episcopalians, Anglicans, Presbyterians), Evangelicals (e.g. Baptist, CMA, Methodist, Lutheran), and Charismatics (e.g. Calvary, Assembly of God, Pentecostal) ...[text shortened]... nt moral values, and are generally just as unwaveringly Republican as their Baptist cousins.
you start comparing Christians = Republicans since that really
isn't true. The majority more than likely holds to values that
that the Republicans claim they have, like abortion, and what
is moral. That however does not stop someone from being a
Christian and being a die hard Democrat either, because they
may feel strongly about other issues that the Democrats say
they believe in.
No one I know says that all Catholics are going to Hell, I've
known Catholics that are Charismatic. It isn't the denomination
of man that is going to get someone into heaven. I used to
belong to an Assembly of God church, but even there no one
said all Assembly of God people were going to heaven. It is
your relationship with God through Christ, not the denomination
of your choice that matters there.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayIn statistics, these people are known as outliers and are omitted from the analysis of the population due to their anamolous nature.
That however does not stop someone from being a
Christian and being a die hard Democrat either, because they
may feel strrongly about other issues that the Democrats say
they believe in.
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Originally posted by telerionMost I know don't even talk to much about the church they go to as
[b]Okay, if that is what you call an Evangelical. Personally, that fits
most Christians I know, myself included;
Are most xtians you know like Anglicans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians?
Or are they more like Baptist, Pentecosta ...[text shortened]... said.[/b]
Well, you know, I couldn't catch 'em all 🙂.
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far as that is how they define themselves; however, I'd say I do know
more of the later group, with many Catholics, Lutherans, as well. It
does not matter to me what their denomination is. I am a member of
a Vineyard. My family has been going there for about 5 years now.
It again does not mean that only those that attend a Vineyard are
saved, or even if you attend at a Vineyard you have arrived and now
have a seat ready for you in heaven. It only means that is where we
attend nothing more.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayYeah, Vineyard. Very charismatic. Good music.
Most I know don't even talk to much about the church they go to as
far as that is how they define themselves; however, I'd say I do know
more of the later group, with many Catholics, Lutherans, as well. It
does not matter to me what t ...[text shortened]... ven. It only means that is where we
attend nothing more.
Kelly
When I was an xtian, I attended churches much along that vein.
Of course, from the Southern Baptist viewpoint, charismatic = Satan.
🙂 cheers
Originally posted by steerpike
Seems the US is the only Western country where Christanity is on the rise - other Western countries are moving to a post-Christian society. Any thoughts on this?
Is the US closer in this to Islamic countries where fundamentalism is also taking hold than it is to European societies?
Liberalism is on the rise in Europe, a liberalism that has chosen for the Culture of Death, meaning death can be chosen to solve certain human problems. In my view a liberalism with fundamentalist aspects. Organised Christianity is declining. Few people go to church, but I have the impression many people take a refuge in New Age religion à la Carte, in particular women. Many believe in reincarnation for instance and at the same time they light a candle in church if they feel the spiritual need.
I don't think however you can look at American Evangelism as the counterpart of Islamic fundamentalism. I gladly leave that to overenthusiastic leftie Americans who want to dramatise things to further their own political cause.
Originally posted by telerionYea, I have met them too. They don't have a scripture to base
Yeah, Vineyard. Very charismatic. Good music.
When I was an xtian, I attended churches much along that vein.
Of course, from the Southern Baptist viewpoint, charismatic = Satan.
🙂 cheers
that on, but they believe that nonetheless. There are more than a
few view points where Christians disagree with each other, but
they must keep in mind that God and God along knows His own.
Kelly
Originally posted by ivanhoePerhaps someday you'll actually engage in debate rather than making grandiose statements which we are supposed to accept without question. The present group of right wing Christian "Evangelicals" (before September 11th, which some of them asserted was God's punishment on the US for "leftist" social issues, they were called "Christian Fundamentalists), have many similarities to Islamic Fundamentalism and the Nazis: extreme nationalism, a belief in their culture's innate superiority over all others and a willingness to use war as a means of destroying competing ideologies. The Christian Fundamentalists also insist on JudeoChristian hegemony in the Middle East based on their belief in prophecy concerning a soon to be apocalyptic battle with the "AntiChrist" somewhere in the Biblical holy lands. So, quite frankly, they're even nuttier than people of Osama's ilk who are primarily interested in imposing a strict version of Islam in the areas traditionally under Moslem control.
I don't think however you can look at American Evangelism as the counterpart of Islamic fundamentalism. I gladly leave that to overenthusiastic leftie Americans who want to dramatise things to further their own political cause.
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Originally posted by ivanhoethe political cause of the overenthusiastic leftie Americans whose cause is limiting government interference in peoples personal lives to what is absolutely necessary for the society to function. One might call it freedom.
Liberalism is on the rise in Europe, a liberalism that has chosen for the Culture of Death, meaning death can be chosen to solve certain human problems. In my view a liberalism with fundamentalist aspects. Organised Christianity is decli ...[text shortened]... want to dramatise things to further their own political cause.
Originally posted by KellyJayIf you can show me any erroneous statements I will always listen.
You must have a high opinion of your views on life to make
such a statement.
Kelly
None of us are infallible and no one has all the answers.
We are all visually impaired children wandering in a forest when it comes to the meaning of life.
In Love there is Life
Angela
Originally posted by ivanhoeFanaticism is on the rise everywhere.
As we take a look at the political situation in the United States, the so called Evangelicals, a certain branch of what is widely known as Christianity, seem to gain more and more ground.
In this thread I want to invite everybody to give reasons why this brand of Christianity is so much on the rise in American society. What are the material and/or non-material conditions that make such a rise possible ?