Originally posted by ivanhoeHamas is an abomination, murdering the very people who voted it into power.
The so called "Two State Solution" has a new meaning now.
After the Palestinian civil war Hamas will control the Gaza-strip and the PLO will control the West-Bank.
It's just another disgusting chapter in the whole big mess.
Did Isreali agents infiltrate Hamas and incite them to kill their own people 😉
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8POI5I80&show_article=1
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Hamas fighters overran one of the rival Fatah movement's most important security installations in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, and witnesses said the victors dragged vanquished gunmen from the building and killed them in the street.
The capture of the Preventive Security headquarters was a major step forward in Hamas' attempts to complete its takeover of all of Gaza. Hamas later called on Fatah fighters to surrender the National Security compound within the hour.
Fatah officials said seven of their fighters were shot to death in the street outside Preventive Security. A witness, Jihad Abu Ayad, said the men were being killed in front of their wives and children.
"They are executing them one by one," Abu Ayad said. "They are carrying one of them on their shoulders, putting him on a sand dune, turning him around and shooting."
"We are telling our people that the past era has ended and will not return, " Islam Shahawan, a spokesman for Hamas' militia, told Hamas radio. "The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived."
"We spent our night in the hallway outside the apartment because the building came under crossfire in 2002," Hammad said. "We haven't had electricity for two days, and all we can hear is shooting and powerful, earthshaking explosions.
"The world is watching us dying and doing nothing to help. God help us, we feel like we are in a real-life horror movie," he said.
Shaher Hatoum, a nurse at nearby Al Quds hospital, said the facility had no electricity, water or blood, and that wounded were propped up on ward floors. Hundreds of bullets flew through windows, and fighters ignored the hospital's appeals to hold fire just long enough to have the generator and water pipes fixed, Hatoum said.
"We are waiting here for our end," Hatoum said.
The intelligence service compound also was under siege, as Hamas fired dozens of rocket-propelled grenades in its direction.
Hamas said it was on the verge of taking over the building. But the director of the intelligence service in Gaza, Mohammed al-Masri, said in a text message that the compound was still in Fatah hands.
Israeli defense officials said Wednesday that Israel, which evacuated Gaza in 2005, would not intervene unless Hamas took over Gaza and started attacking Israel.
Well, I guess this was one way to keep Israel out of Gaza, but I suspect this is not how they wanted to do it.
Fatah has asked Israeli permission to bring in more arms and armored vehicles, but Tzahi Hanegbi, chairman of the Israeli parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, told Army Radio that arming Fatah would be "insane" because the weapons would fall into Hamas hands.
He said Israel was considering backing Fatah forces in the West Bank, but did not elaborate.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he discussed the possible deployment of a multinational force in Gaza with the Security Council on Wednesday.
"We have always asked for international forces to come to the West Bank and Gaza," Abbas confidant Saeb Erekat told Israel's Army Radio. But, he added, "Honestly, on the personal level, I believe that if we don't help ourselves as Palestinians, nobody can."
These are the highlights, more at link.
Originally posted by GinoJThat is a good question. Of course you can look at it from different angles. You can look at the latest development from the Palestinian point of view, if there still is one. You can look at it from the Hamas point of view. You can look at it from the PLO point of view and you can look at it from the Israeli point of view.
Will that be good or bad?
If there will be two Palestinian territories maybe there will be a chance for Israel to make peace or to agree to a cease fire with the PLO on the West-Bank and give them means and opportunities to build a Palestinian State.
Of course the Palestinian case is not furthered by the present divison and slaughter going on between the two Palestinian factions. The picture shows the division, struggle and slaughter which is occuring in so many Arab countries between the extremist Jihadis and the more moderate forces.
Originally posted by ivanhoeSo, Hamas faced down the West -- and won.
The so called "Two State Solution" has a new meaning now.
After the Palestinian civil war Hamas will control the Gaza-strip and the PLO will control the West-Bank.
Hezbollah "won" against Israel.
Al Qaeda is winning in Iraq.
If this keeps up, "terrorist" will become synonymous with "winner" in certain circles.
Originally posted by spruce112358None of this will matter in a historical context. Islam is beginning to go through it's own enlightenment period just like Christiantity did after the dark ages.
So, Hamas faced down the West -- and won.
Hezbollah "won" against Israel.
Al Qaeda is winning in Iraq.
If this keeps up, "terrorist" will become synonymous with "winner" in certain circles.
People are fighting over new ideas...and new ideas will not go away, they can only be suppressed. But history shows that suppression eventually gives way and a new era begins.
We may never see it in our lifetime, but it will occur.
Originally posted by GinoJDepends.
Will that be good or bad?
It's like that large family that lives down the street and causes all the trouble in the neighborhood getting into a shootout with each other.
Do you care if they all kill each other?
Would the neighborhood be better off without them?
Would your children be safer without them around?
Do you run down the street to stop the gunfight?
Or do you simply bring the kids inside, get your family in a safe spot, load your guns and wait?
Coming soon to your neighborhood ... be prepared.
Originally posted by uzless"People are fighting over new ideas...and new ideas will not go away, they can only be suppressed. But history shows that suppression eventually gives way and a new era begins."
None of this will matter in a historical context. Islam is beginning to go through it's own enlightenment period just like Christiantity did after the dark ages.
People are fighting over new ideas...and new ideas will not go away, they can only be suppressed. But history shows that suppression eventually gives way and a new era begins.
We may never see it in our lifetime, but it will occur.
Key word here being "eventually"
This particular "new era" has been a thousand years in the making.
Listen carefully, do you hear the cries for change coming from within Islam?
Me either.