@athousandyoung saidThat sentence will reverse soon, they will own you moron. First , you will find that you are one of these people. Brrrrrrr
I find employment with immigrants all the time. Israelis, Europeans, Koreans, etc.
@no1marauder saidGolly, really? Let me click these links and get back to you.
No reputable economist believes such crap. Immigration to the US has almost always had a net positive economic effect.
https://www.americanactionforum.org/insight/economic-benefits-of-immigration/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/immigrants-expand-the-us-economy/ (“What we find, with overwhelming evidence, is that immigrants act more as job creators than they ...[text shortened]... etc.
This is even truer at a time of low unemployment and a declining rate of population growth.
@suzianne saidSue says a wall cannot keep millions from walking across a given space.
The wall is political. It does nothing to prevent anyone coming across the border. It's only function was as a campaign tool.
The debaters here are really evolving. I think she and Thousand are commiserating. Maybe PMs??
@wajoma saidI disagree. Many losers and parasites are peaceful. We waste our words anyway, the Obama Transformation is in full swing. I still predict he will get Michelle elected to tie up the loose ends.
Let peaceful people cross borders freely. The major impediment to this is social welfare, state healthcare, state education, which provides artificial incentives.
An immigrant prepared to stand on his own two feet in every aspect versus those looking for free stuff.
@averagejoe1 saidThey're not peaceful when they receive free stuff from the state, then they are complicit in the force and threats of force the state uses to get the free stuff from productive people.
I disagree. Many losers and parasites are peaceful. We waste our words anyway, the Obama Transformation is in full swing. I still predict he will get Michelle elected to tie up the loose ends.
@wajoma saidThis is a fact. Libs do not state facts. Sue just said ‘walls don’t work’ which is patently not a fact. Sonhouse would tell you the opposite, that his farm animals are securely behind a wall. The wall works
They're not peaceful when they receive free stuff from the state, then they are complicit in the force and threats of force the state uses to get the free stuff from productive people.
Your comment is truth. Hers is not.
Are you like me getting bored with these pitiful lemmings?
@wajoma saidSounds like capitalists using the State for property protection and contract enforcement.
They're not peaceful when they receive free stuff from the state, then they are complicit in the force and threats of force the state uses to get the free stuff from productive people.
@averagejoe1 saidThe only people who want to own people in this country are you WASPs.
That sentence will reverse soon, they will own you moron. First , you will find that you are one of these people. Brrrrrrr
@athousandyoung saidSounds like you weren't listening.
Sounds like capitalists using the State for property protection and contract enforcement.
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@no1marauder saidCalm down, the point was how the welfare state, and goobermint handing out 'free' stuff distorts, corrupts, poisons the immigration ideal which is: Let peaceful people cross borders freely.
Listen to this:
The State created private property and uses force to defend the theft of what was communal resources that were then divvied up to those individuals and groups favored by the State.
@wajoma saidHardly. As has been show to you many times, the type of modern "welfare state" you rail against is the most efficient way to manage a predominantly capitalist economy.
Calm down, the point was how the welfare state, and goobermint handing out 'free' stuff distorts, corrupts and poisons the immigration ideal which is: Let peaceful people cross borders freely.
And the increased prosperity it achieves encourages immigration of those with useful skills that further enhances economic growth.
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@no1marauder saidThe welfare state doesn't achieve increased prosperity it hitches a ride like a parasite on the back of prosperity created.
Hardly. As has been show to you many times, the type of modern "welfare state" you rail against is the most efficient way to manage a predominantly capitalist economy.
And the increased prosperity it achieves encourages immigration of those with useful skills that further enhances economic growth.
Prosperous productive people can survive fine without the welfare state.
The welfare state cannot survive without prosperous productive people.
That should give you a clue as to who the parasite is, this no chicken and egg dilemma.
The system you speak of relies on strict barriers, insurmountable barriers for many. It's the typical goobermint scam, take away a 'right' then sell it back to you.
But it's the free stuff that is the lure, and it's the free stuff that necessitates and perpetuates the barriers.
@averagejoe1 saidObama?
I disagree. Many losers and parasites are peaceful. We waste our words anyway, the Obama Transformation is in full swing. I still predict he will get Michelle elected to tie up the loose ends.
Are you desperate for a 'bad guy'? Michelle laughs in people's faces when they ask her to take the job people like you still rip her husband for.
@wajoma saidYour favorite word is parasite.
The welfare state doesn't achieve increased prosperity it hitches a ride like a parasite on the back of prosperity created.
Prosperous productive people can survive fine without the welfare state.
The welfare state cannot survive without prosperous productive people.
That should give you a clue as to who the parasite is, this no chicken and egg dilemma.
The system y ...[text shortened]... free stuff that is the lure, and it's the free stuff that necessitates and perpetuates the barriers.
The real parasites are those who build their conspiracy theories on the backs of those who try to help those who have nothing.