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The World Is Now A Safer Place

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Can you guys maybe step back and see things in this light? Thinking maybe about your grandchildren?
Or find a way to set TDS aside for a while....he did good work, after all. The Iranian campaigns will slow down to a stop. No more missiles into Israel. Will they threaten our existing other interests over there? With what? They have threatened out embasies in Kuwait, Qatar, etc, and the israeli proxies. , they have Houties, the Jihad, in Gaza, Syrian militias, etc.....
These Iranians have to consider a lot of moves now. As I once said, as in chess, there is always a better move. (I made that up).

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"Iran's nuclear program was launched as part of the Atoms for Peace program that was announced by U.S. president Eisenhower in 1953. The U.S. helped Iran create its nuclear program in 1957 by providing Iran its first nuclear reactor and nuclear fuel, and after 1967 by providing Iran with weapons grade enriched uranium."

"In 1975, President Ford approved a plan allowing Iran to process U.S. nuclear materials and purchase a plutonium reprocessing facility. Henry Kissinger later described it as a commercial deal with an ally, with no discussion of weapons concerns.

Despite continuing Nixon’s arms sales policy, granting Iran wide access to U.S. weapons, Ford faced internal opposition and growing concerns in Congress. Meanwhile, U.S. officials—particularly Treasury Secretary William Simon grew increasingly critical of the Shah's role in maintaining high oil prices, during a time when surging inflation was driving the U.S. economy toward a recession. In 1976, the U.S. covertly supported Saudi Arabia’s move to drive down oil prices, undercutting Iran’s revenues.

The resulting oil price collapse in early 1977 triggered a severe financial crisis in Iran, forcing austerity measures that led to rising unemployment and social unrest. These developments significantly weakened the Shah’s regime and contributed to the conditions that precipitated the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Later declassified documents suggest that key U.S. policymakers underestimated the risks of destabilizing their long-time ally."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–United_States_relations


Looks lke it's getting even safer now:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-strikes-iran-s-nuclear-facilities/ar-AA1Haqbo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=98abc040225447b493cb79dfd12ddd50&ei=8


@AverageJoe1 said
Can you guys maybe step back and see things in this light? Thinking maybe about your grandchildren?
Or find a way to set TDS aside for a while....he did good work, after all. The Iranian campaigns will slow down to a stop. No more missiles into Israel. Will they threaten our existing other interests over there? With what? They have threatened out embasies in Kuwait, ...[text shortened]... a lot of moves now. As I once said, as in chess, there is always a better move. (I made that up).
After the Shah was installed into power in Iran the USA supplied enriched uranium and even plutonium to Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_nuclear_program_of_Iran

Explain to us all why that was okay back then but not now.


Israel and the US bombing all over the place is not making the world safer.

Even the CIA says Iran isn’t buildihg nukes.

But, they sure as hell will be after this.


@shavixmir said
Israel and the US bombing all over the place is not making the world safer.

Even the CIA says Iran isn’t buildihg nukes.

But, they sure as hell will be after this.
Agreed. But they will only be able to build nukes while the regime is still in power. What makes you think the war will end? Because Trump said he "obliterated" the nuclear sites?

Now that Trump said they are no longer close to having a nuclear weapon will the puppet proxy Israel stop bombing Iran now? Is Trump done bombing? If regime change is the goal they will invade. Do you think they are done bombing Iran?


@Metal-Brain said
Agreed. But they will only be able to build nukes while the regime is still in power. What makes you think the war will end? Because Trump said he "obliterated" the nuclear sites?

Now that Trump said they are no longer close to having a nuclear weapon will the puppet proxy Israel stop bombing Iran now? Is Trump done bombing? If regime change is the goal they will invade. Do you think they are done bombing Iran?
What do you mean with: “What makes me think the war will end?”

I didn’t say any such thing?

Are you putting words in my mouth, so you can reply to questions or statements which weren’t posed in the first place?


@shavixmir said
What do you mean with: “What makes me think the war will end?”

I didn’t say any such thing?

Are you putting words in my mouth, so you can reply to questions or statements which weren’t posed in the first place?
Because you are assuming the regime will last long enough to build a nuclear weapon. They are going to invade. And when I say they I mean the USA, Israel and UK. Probably France and other nations too. It is the only way to get enough troops on the ground to invade and occupy Iran.

How long do you think the Iranian regime will last during the war?
And will the Shah's son bring back the SAVAK? That is who called for the Iranian people to overthrow the Iranian regime from the USA. The Shah's eldest son.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/SAVAK


@spruce112358 said
"Iran's nuclear program was launched as part of the Atoms for Peace program that was announced by U.S. president Eisenhower in 1953. The U.S. helped Iran create its nuclear program in 1957 by providing Iran its first nuclear reactor and nuclear fuel, and after 1967 by providing Iran with weapons grade enriched uranium."

"In 1975, President Ford approved a plan allowin ...[text shortened]... stabilizing their long-time ally.[/b]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–United_States_relations
Too bad that there was no crystal ball at the White House. Nixon on to the present day. So, all recent presidents realized,,,,,dam, we cannot let them have Nukes. Then they take a vacation or two. The Beach!!!
aaaaaahhh, but then comes the really un-smart Trump, the dreaded businessman, and tends to business, looking back at those presidents, saying, "What in the HELL was going on with you guys??" "Jesus, just another problem dropped in my lap. Well, I am left to clean it up."

Y'all truly miss the train.


@shavixmir said
Israel and the US bombing all over the place is not making the world safer.

Even the CIA says Iran isn’t buildihg nukes.

But, they sure as hell will be after this.
This one is saying that ridding the #1 Terrorist State of Nukes will not make the world a safer place.
But he stops with that. Libs never close their posts. Next he will be a one-liner like the effervescent Suzianne.
We have to figure out what he means, I guess. Does he mean the world will be a more dangerous place?

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@Metal-Brain said
After the Shah was installed into power in Iran the USA supplied enriched uranium and even plutonium to Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_nuclear_program_of_Iran

Explain to us all why that was okay back then but not now.
Because the Shah was going to build nuclear power stations, not nuclear weapons.
Because Iran wasn't a rabid mad-dog outlaw nation exporting global terrorism like it is now.
Because the US and Iran were allies at the time. We actually trained their officers, pilots and navigators, I had several in my class during OCS and flight school.
(Before someone jumps in with a "Gotcha"...in the Air Force it's called OTS)


@AverageJoe1 said
Too bad that there was no crystal ball at the White House. Nixon on to the present day. So, all recent presidents realized,,,,,dam, we cannot let them have Nukes. Then they take a vacation or two. The Beach!!!
aaaaaahhh, but then comes the really un-smart Trump, the dreaded businessman, and tends to business, looking back at those presidents, saying, "What in the H ...[text shortened]... another problem dropped in my lap. Well, I am left to clean it up."

Y'all truly miss the train.
North Korea has nukes. And they have said some VERY mean things about us. Not very nice at all! 😆

Go 'clean' that up. 😆


@shavixmir said
Israel and the US bombing all over the place is not making the world safer.

Even the CIA says Iran isn’t buildihg nukes.

But, they sure as hell will be after this.
Shav is upset. He was NOT upset when Obama attacked Lybia, Syeria, Pakistan and Yemen. He did NOT call for impeachment.
But his friends today want us to impeach Trump for his presidential action. He acted Under Article 2. All legal, constitutional. And there are 700,000 people living in Israel, and he mihgt have been thinking, hell, Iran is attacking Americans.

Shav needs to write a nice clear post for us all to understand.


@spruce112358 said
North Korea has nukes. And they have said some VERY mean things about us. Not very nice at all! 😆

Go 'clean' that up. 😆
Start a thread on Korea!!!! Wait till you see now much vacuous pontification overloads the Forum.
I will skip it myself, as I have not studied it as much as you fellers. Anyway, Trump has proven that he has our backs.
I'll tell you one thing, though.....Xi may think twice about taunting Trump about Taiwan. .The boy carries a big stick. You libs simply have an aversion to kicking ass....me, I would have pushed the Hiroshima button.


@AverageJoe1 said
Shav is upset. He was NOT upset when Obama attacked Lybia, Syeria, Pakistan and Yemen. He did NOT call for impeachment.
But his friends today want us to impeach Trump for his presidential action. He acted Under Article 2. All legal, constitutional. And there are 700,000 people living in Israel, and he mihgt have been thinking, hell, Iran is attacking Americans.

Shav needs to write a nice clear post for us all to understand.
“ Shav needs to write a nice clear post for us all to understand.”

He cant…out of his league if no perverted sex is involved