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@no1marauder saidWhat would you do if a sleeper cell in your town was threatening to kill everyone in town? You would know where they are, the sheriff is telling you what they are doing. You have 5 beautiful children and a wonderful life.
No, I don't feel required to respond to every stupid, off-topic hypothetical you come up with.
If you had read my post, you'd understand the circumstances where pre-emptive self defense is allowed.
What would you do? How can you call this hypothetical, what a cop-out. It is not even a cop out, it just happened, for god sake, on the 21st, it is in the news, it is exactly those facts, no hypothetical. You know that the answer is to kill them before they kill your family...why will you not say it?
You and Suzianne, and Sonhouse, all in concert. Creepy.
What would you do?
PS: Your sentence about preempive strike being allowed????TOTALLY irrelevant in this issue of the small town of Smallville. UNLESS, of course, you are saying that you , like me, would pre-emptively strike those cretins making the bomb.
@AverageJoe1 saidIf it actually happened, it's off-topic in this thread.
What would you do if a sleeper cell in your town was threatening to kill everyone in town? You would know where they are, the sheriff is telling you what they are doing. You have 5 beautiful children and a wonderful life.
What would you do? How can you call this hypothetical, what a cop-out. It is not even a cop out, it just happened, for god sake, on the 21st, it i ...[text shortened]... course, you are saying that you , like me, would pre-emptively strike those cretins making the bomb.
Stop wasting everyone's time with such ranting.
@AverageJoe1 saidThreatening to kill someone is a criminal offense is most countries. In the case of Hamas, threatening to kill Jews should have alerted the world that this organisation should not be allowed to exist. But because they threatened Jews, everyone was silent. The Jews had to take on Hamas with only the support of the US.
What would you do if a sleeper cell in your town was threatening to kill everyone in town? You would know where they are, the sheriff is telling you what they are doing. You have 5 beautiful children and a wonderful life.
What would you do? How can you call this hypothetical, what a cop-out. It is not even a cop out, it just happened, for god sake, on the 21st, it i ...[text shortened]... course, you are saying that you , like me, would pre-emptively strike those cretins making the bomb.
@no1marauder saidShall I start a new thread, then? It is very appropriate to consider this question. Some people in America think we should not bomb a country who is building stuff to kill us all, and threatening to do so, a measure of assault, if you will.
If it actually happened, it's off-topic in this thread.
Stop wasting everyone's time with such ranting.
How can they say that, and also have the same pacifist(?) position if it were happening a few blocks from their house? Same mindset, I would think. I will do it later today, and should i say that you implied there should be a specified thread?
@no1marauder said??? If what actually happened?
If it actually happened, it's off-topic in this thread.
Stop wasting everyone's time with such ranting.
@AverageJoe1 saidUh… you did murder Japanese civilians.
Incorrect use of the word murder.
We did not murder the japanese civilians. It would be to say that they murdered Pearl Harbor sailors. That doesn't wash. Anyway, tit for tat, so you make no point.
Where does it say that a 'war' must be declared when an entity, a country, a town, is threatened with death? And must the threatened wait until a bomb hits the town? Ge ...[text shortened]... ittle feller, it is not that they don't like them. Geez
Go get some air, maybe a bit of cycling
And if civilian citizens were killed during Pearl Harbour, then they were murdered by the Japanese.
It’s not rocket science. Don’t kill innocent people.
@shavixmir saidInnocent people get killed in a war, and it is called collateral damage and not referred to as murder except by people like you who have biased and twisted minds. The difference is that the innocent are not the targets when those abiding by the Geneva Convention engage in war. Innocent people are targeted and killed by those who do not follow the Geneva Convention.
Uh… you did murder Japanese civilians.
And if civilian citizens were killed during Pearl Harbour, then they were murdered by the Japanese.
It’s not rocket science. Don’t kill innocent people.
Eg.
- Israel is targeting military and nuclear installations in Iran, these are destroyed along with some innocent people, it is not possible to do otherwise. Israel follows the Geneva Convention.
- Iran in response are not targeting the military but firing randomly at civilians in Israel. These people are not abiding by the Geneva Convention.
Same happened in Gaza.
- Hamas and Gaza residents surprise attacked, raped and killed unsuspecting civilians, men women and children in Israel.
- Israel in response first warned Gaza of the coming response. They had time to evacuate. Israel targeted military installations, rocket launchers, and tunnels. Unfortunately for the civilians Hamas placed these military installations in schools, mosques, hospitals and civilian buildings.
Israel followed the Geneva Convention.
Hamas did not.
Hamas and Gazans are rapists and murderers.
Israel is not.
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@shavixmir saidIf there are military people in the same proximity as civilians, and the military people must be killed, (I know you hate that sentence,)how do you kill all the military guys and none of the civilians. A really cool practical question I would think.
Uh… you did murder Japanese civilians.
And if civilian citizens were killed during Pearl Harbour, then they were murdered by the Japanese.
It’s not rocket science. Don’t kill innocent people.
The phrase collateral damage is bandied about on occasion, I’m asking the question in a practical matter. So, for us to avoid collateral damage, would be to say that there is no way to kill the military people who have it coming.
@shavixmir saidShav, bless you, but you overlook one pesky point. If there is a country and it has leaders, the citizens of that country are subject to the whims and the rules and the actions of their leaders. So if there’s a guy in the bakery shop in that country, and his leaders have done something which requires their elimination, then the baker, who has accepted this leader and his process of leadership, is subject to whatever hell ranges down upon them because of his actions.
Uh… you did murder Japanese civilians.
And if civilian citizens were killed during Pearl Harbour, then they were murdered by the Japanese.
It’s not rocket science. Don’t kill innocent people.
Your thoughts? You might compare it to Jap leadership who declared war on the United States, subjecting their citizens in their bakery shops to get the hell kicked out of them.
Your thoughts?
@AverageJoe1 saidHe will not do that. If he does then it means he is reasonable and unbiased, which he isn't. In the case of the US and Japanese he equated both, ie the Japanese murdered Americans and the Americans murdered Japanese, but this not the whole story. Japanese murdered American civilians in a surprise attack which was contrary to the Hague Convention. America bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima was in response to this act of murder. It was not a surprise attack and the residents were warned days in advance to evaucate these cities. The pamphlets dropped were detailed and explained the power of the A-Bomb. They are two different things, but American haters will not see it. In the case of Shavixmir he is both a Jew and an American hater, and it is his Islamic background that is the root cause of his irrational thinking.
Raj, I so hope that Shav will respond in kind, I think these are interesting points.
@Rajk999 saidSo we are left with Sonhouse
He will not do that. If he does then it means he is reasonable and unbiased, which he isn't. In the case of the US and Japanese he equated both, ie the Japanese murdered Americans and the Americans murdered Japanese, but this not the whole story. Japanese murdered American civilians in a surprise attack which was contrary to the Hague Convention. America bombing of Nagasa ...[text shortened]... American hater, and it is his Islamic background that is the root cause of his irrational thinking.
@AverageJoe1 saidThat is another irrational and unreasonable useless drama-queen.
So we are left with Sonhouse
@AverageJoe1 saidYeah? So you’re fare game? Your kids are?
Shav, bless you, but you overlook one pesky point. If there is a country and it has leaders, the citizens of that country are subject to the whims and the rules and the actions of their leaders. So if there’s a guy in the bakery shop in that country, and his leaders have done something which requires their elimination, then the baker, who has accepted this leader and his ...[text shortened]... bjecting their citizens in their bakery shops to get the hell kicked out of them.
Your thoughts?
Don’t be bloody pathetic.
@AverageJoe1 saidSo, let’s nuke Washington and make the world a safer place.
If there are military people in the same proximity as civilians, and the military people must be killed, (I know you hate that sentence,)how do you kill all the military guys and none of the civilians. A really cool practical question I would think.
The phrase collateral damage is bandied about on occasion, I’m asking the question in a practical matter. So, for us to ...[text shortened]... lateral damage, would be to say that there is no way to kill the military people who have it coming.
Idiot.