@Mott-The-Hoople saidDifficult to pull a normal conversation on the forum
“ Shav needs to write a nice clear post for us all to understand.”
He cant…out of his league if no perverted sex is involved
@Metal-Brain saidYou are really STUPID if you think regime change will stop Iran from pursuing nukes.
Agreed. But they will only be able to build nukes while the regime is still in power. What makes you think the war will end? Because Trump said he "obliterated" the nuclear sites?
Now that Trump said they are no longer close to having a nuclear weapon will the puppet proxy Israel stop bombing Iran now? Is Trump done bombing? If regime change is the goal they will invade. Do you think they are done bombing Iran?
Even assuming those bunker buster bombs did their jobs 100%, centrifuges are easy to come by, they have 3000 of them in those underground facilities.
So next time they go, lets put the next batch a half MILE underground out of the reach of even a NUKE.
I bet YOU never even thought about THAT scenario.
@sonhouse saidTurkey. YOU are really stupid it you think God King Trump will allow any proliferation of the plans of these medieval basterds., They will not get to first base, we will own their situation soon enough.
You are really STUPID if you think regime change will stop Iran from pursuing nukes.
Even assuming those bunker buster bombs did their jobs 100%, centrifuges are easy to come by, they have 3000 of them in those underground facilities.
So next time they go, lets put the next batch a half MILE underground out of the reach of even a NUKE.
I bet YOU never even thought about THAT scenario.
Hmmmmmm, why have Putin and Xi been sitting by today? Any word? I will check with Sonhouse.
@AverageJoe1 saidAs difficult for you as it is for Trump?
Difficult to pull a normal conversation on the forum
He doesn't get it if you're not talking about him.
We know you prefer "me" to "you". We all get that.
You never understand anything normal.
@AverageJoe1 saidAs I once said, as in chess, there is always a better move. (I made that up).
Can you guys maybe step back and see things in this light? Thinking maybe about your grandchildren?
Or find a way to set TDS aside for a while....he did good work, after all. The Iranian campaigns will slow down to a stop. No more missiles into Israel. Will they threaten our existing other interests over there? With what? They have threatened out embasies in Kuwait, ...[text shortened]... a lot of moves now. As I once said, as in chess, there is always a better move. (I made that up).
You're an idiot.
@KingDavid403 saidYou caught me! Actually, Confucius said that......
As I once said, as in chess, there is always a better move. (I made that up).
You're an idiot.
@AverageJoe1 saidThere's nothing in Article II of the Constitution allowing the President to go to war with another country without Congressional approval. The libertarians at Reason shredded any argument that this action was permitted under the War Powers Act:
Shav is upset. He was NOT upset when Obama attacked Lybia, Syeria, Pakistan and Yemen. He did NOT call for impeachment.
But his friends today want us to impeach Trump for his presidential action. He acted Under Article 2. All legal, constitutional. And there are 700,000 people living in Israel, and he mihgt have been thinking, hell, Iran is attacking Americans.
Shav needs to write a nice clear post for us all to understand.
"Here is the relevant section of the law (emphasis added): "The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
The first two options provided by the law are clearly not involved here, as Congress did not declare war against Iran and did not pass an authorization for the use of military force (as was done to allow the invasion of Iraq in 2002).
The third circumstance also does not apply to Trump's attack on Iran, which was not carried out in response to an attack on American troops and did not respond to a crisis threatening American soil. As Reason's Matthew Petti wrote in the wake of the attack last night: "This campaign is a war of choice. And the administration did not try to sell it to Congress—let alone the American people—before embarking on it. Instead, Trump watched Israel launch a first strike on Iran, then threatened to get involved, talking himself into a corner. Now he seems to be hoping that Iran simply won't respond to being attacked."
The War Powers Act does not include a clause allowing presidents to bomb other countries just because. It also—despite the fact that the law is frequently discussed in political media in these terms—does not allow a window of 48 hours for the president to do whatever he pleases before alerting Congress and seeking further authorization.
That 48-hour window (as outlined in a subsequent section of the War Powers Act) applies only if the president is engaged in a lawful use of military force—that is, if he is acting in accordance with one of the three mechanisms built into the first section of the law.
"If there's an attack in progress on the United States (i.e., currently happening), we expect the president to respond swiftly to neutralize the attack and protect Americans—and then we will hold the president to account," explained former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.) in a post on X. "The Framers of the Constitution agreed at the debates in the federal convention of 1787 that the president should have the 'power to repel sudden attacks' but not the power to otherwise introduce forces into hostilities without congressional approval.""
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-attack-on-iran-is-unlawful/ar-AA1HcjQT?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=605b4f8e26694d7e9522b4b020d35730&ei=7
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@no1marauder saidA thoughtful post, very refreshing after all the inane quips of the day.
There's nothing in Article II of the Constitution allowing the President to go to war with another country without Congressional approval. The libertarians at Reason shredded any argument that this action was permitted under the War Powers Act:
"Here is the relevant section of the law (emphasis added): "The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in- ...[text shortened]... ics/the-attack-on-iran-is-unlawful/ar-AA1HcjQT?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=605b4f8e26694d7e9522b4b020d35730&ei=7
I have seen some news, and you are correct of course that only Congress can declare war, and we of course all want it that way. Not a one-man decision. But fortunately, our president, sworn to protect citizens HERE AND ABROAD, had every right to act, and he will DEFINITLEY have the right to rain hell on those Iranians if they endanger any one of our 700,000 americans living in Israel. Article 2, etc. Experts have bandied this issue about all day. It is them against you and Sonhouse!!!!!
You jump the gun.....no war is being declared by Trump.
Question: Are you saying that we should NOT demolish Iranian Nuclear programs?? They, who chant death to America, israel, and others????
If you live in a town of 50,000, and 100 terrorists are over on the South side building bombs, telling everyone 'Death To All of the Residents of Smallville', would you do.....well, would you do nothing? A weak Obama-like red line??,.. or like Biden said the famous 'DON'T' to the horrible people a few years ago, which detered them not, ......and he went to the beach??
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@AverageJoe1 saidIran folks have already taken out the 60% enriched Uranium, however much that may be so that was the important stuff to get out, they probably have hundreds of centrifuges hidden away.
Turkey. YOU are really stupid it you think God King Trump will allow any proliferation of the plans of these medieval basterds., They will not get to first base, we will own their situation soon enough.
Hmmmmmm, why have Putin and Xi been sitting by today? Any word? I will check with Sonhouse.
So how do you think our agents or Israeli agents are going to find that 60% stuff now? There was no radiation detected from those bomb sites so there was not much uranium left to attack, a LOT more important tactically for Iran than centrifuges. So hidden centrifuges can run that 60% pure uranium to 90% in a few days with hidden machines which is the purity level to make nukes, 95% is even "better".
@AverageJoe1 saidBombing countries is an act of war.
A thoughtful post, very refreshing after all the inane quips of the day.
I have seen some news, and you are correct of course that only Congress can declare war, and we of course all want it that way. Not a one-man decision. But fortunately, our president, sworn to protect citizens HERE AND ABROAD, had every right to act, and he will DEFINITLEY have the right to rain ...[text shortened]... 'T' to the horrible people a few years ago, which detered them not, ......and he went to the beach??
Even someone as totally brainwashed as you must know that.
There is nothing in the Constitution remotely suggesting the President can start attacking other countries when he decides, in his sole judgment, that such is needed to "protect Americans" living in some foreign country esp. when that country just started a war against the country he intends to bomb.
The Framers would be horrified at the antics of numerous Presidents in the last 75 years or so starting military adventures without Congressional approval. They specifically took away from the Executive the power to make war unilaterally.
@no1marauder saidQuestion: Are you saying that we should NOT demolish Iranian Nuclear programs?? They, who chant death to America, israel, and others????
Bombing countries is an act of war.
Even someone as totally brainwashed as you must know that.
There is nothing in the Constitution remotely suggesting the President can start attacking other countries when he decides, in his sole judgment, that such is needed to "protect Americans" living in some foreign country esp. when that country just started a war against the ...[text shortened]... ssional approval. They specifically took away from the Executive the power to make war unilaterally.
If you live in a town of 50,000, and 100 terrorists are over on the South side building bombs, telling everyone 'Death To All of the Residents of Smallville', would you do.....well, would you do nothing? A weak Obama-like red line??,.. or like Biden said the famous 'DON'T' to the horrible people a few years ago, which detered them not, ......and he went to the beach??
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@AverageJoe1 saidYou already posted this nonsensical raving. Why should I bother to respond to it?
Question: Are you saying that we should NOT demolish Iranian Nuclear programs?? They, who chant death to America, israel, and others????
If you live in a town of 50,000, and 100 terrorists are over on the South side building bombs, telling everyone 'Death To All of the Residents of Smallville', would you do.....well, would you do nothing? A weak Obama-like red line??,.. ...[text shortened]... 'T' to the horrible people a few years ago, which detered them not, ......and he went to the beach??
Our own intelligence agencies said in March that Iran did not have an active nuclear weapons program and hadn't had one since 2003. What people chant is not a reason for war esp. considering the numerous military and other actions this country has engaged in against Iran in the last four decades.
Trump promised not to get the country into further foreign military adventures way back in 2016 when the same claims could have been made about Iran. Now he's parroting the same line GW did about Iraq in 2002.
@no1marauder saidGW and those before and after all said Iran should not have nukes. So, did Trump. Was he sposed to let it keep on going ? This is Trump, man. A man iin the WH. He was not about to be like the weakling weaks before him. Does not make a promise that he does not keep don't you know? Consider his message to other leaders, it you want to argue. You aint worried about Korea and Xi.? You are seemingly head in the sand. Paper tiger,,,,no, actually, no tiger at all. are you an appeaser. Oh great. Marauder for president. You will put down all threats. People get put in jailk for assault. The words of Iran to kikll us? Assault. Technically, ut them in jail, but there was no time. Month or so, and we woluld have nukes on your house. Pacifist, are you? Only the dems are the pacifists that i see on the Horizon. I wonder what the common thread is?
You already posted this nonsensical raving. Why should I bother to respond to it?
Our own intelligence agencies said in March that Iran did not have an active nuclear weapons program and hadn't had one since 2003. What people chant is not a reason for war esp. considering the numerous military and other actions this country has engaged in against Iran in the last fou ...[text shortened]... claims could have been made about Iran. Now he's parroting the same line GW did about Iraq in 2002.
What is trump to do if the 750 Iranians that Biden turned lose at the border light some big bombs here at your child's grade school.
I am tired of this crap. If Iran is not guilty of all this, why didn't they prove it? They had a duty to do so, had 60 days, and had said they would kill us all . Geex
What about the people across town building a bomb? You gonna chicken on that question, are you? So did Sonhouse. What is the common thread of you 2??
@no1marauder saidWhile I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, as you implied, no President has given a damn about the WPR or its central idea since long before it was passed.
Bombing countries is an act of war.
Even someone as totally brainwashed as you must know that.
There is nothing in the Constitution remotely suggesting the President can start attacking other countries when he decides, in his sole judgment, that such is needed to "protect Americans" living in some foreign country esp. when that country just started a war against the ...[text shortened]... ssional approval. They specifically took away from the Executive the power to make war unilaterally.
The WPR also needs to be updated for the modern world. Sometimes the President may need to take out a threat before it can be made public. If we get word that a group of nuclear terrorists is massing in North Head, New Brunswick, and is planning to infiltrate Maine tomorrow afternoon, the President needs the authority to take them out and ask questions later without running to Congress with a request to declare war on Canada.
Where to draw the line is an extremely difficult question.