30 Oct 13
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Some would say that the massive glitches for Obamacare were an "accident". However, what if they were planned all along?
Just imagine if there were no glitches and the turn out for signing up was pathetic. This way they can attribute the lack of enthusiasm on the glitches instead of making the legislation look retarded.
My only question is, can Obama demonize insurance companies well enough to blame them for terminating old coverage and raising rates across the board instead of taking the blame for his legislation forcing insurance companies to make changes because they are merely trying to comply to the legislation?
Well, the man has yet to take the blame for anything gone wrong in his life to date, so my guess is we will have a single payer in 10 to 20 years.
30 Oct 13
Originally posted by whodeyYou can bet the fines portion of the program will work just dandy.
Some would say that the massive glitches for Obamacare were an "accident". However, what if they were planned all along?
Just imagine if there were no glitches and the turn out for signing up was pathetic. This way they can attribute the lack of enthusiasm on the glitches instead of making the legislation look retarded.
My only question is, can Obama ...[text shortened]... ng gone wrong in his life to date, so my guess is we will have a single payer in 10 to 20 years.
31 Oct 13
Let me add this: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-signs-that-obamacare-is-going-to-wreck-the-u-s-economy
Not that the US medical system was not falling apart on its own, but now Mr Obama has added the final straw. not in ignorance of the consequences, but with malice aforethought.
Who does he work for?
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31 Oct 13
Originally posted by whodeyPreconceived attitude finds justification.
Some would say that the massive glitches for Obamacare were an "accident". However, what if they were planned all along?
Just imagine if there were no glitches and the turn out for signing up was pathetic. This way they can attribute the lack of enthusiasm on the glitches instead of making the legislation look retarded.
My only question is, can Obama ...[text shortened]... ng gone wrong in his life to date, so my guess is we will have a single payer in 10 to 20 years.
What if the preconceived attitude was, "Right winger anti-Obamites sabotaged ACA site development and implementation."
This would be confirmation bias to the nth degree, right? Both ways.
31 Oct 13
Originally posted by DanTriolaMy favorite quote on Obamacare so far.
Let me add this: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-signs-that-obamacare-is-going-to-wreck-the-u-s-economy
Not that the US medical system was not falling apart on its own, but now Mr Obama has added the final straw. not in ignorance of the consequences, but with malice aforethought.
Who does he work for?
Pam Kehaly, president of Anthem Blue Cross in California, said she received a recent letter from a young woman complaining about a 50% rate hike related to the healthcare law.
"She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.
A perfect descriptor of liberals and liberalism.
31 Oct 13
Originally posted by JS357The MSM is working feverishly on this very storyline. Rachel Maddow has gone silent on Obamacare. Her beta-male acolytes in production are hard at work, rest assured.
Preconceived attitude finds justification.
What if the preconceived attitude was, "Right winger anti-Obamites sabotaged ACA site development and implementation."
This would be confirmation bias to the nth degree, right? Both ways.
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31 Oct 13
Originally posted by sasquatch672If they bring forth a theory, it will be the same litmus test for the true believer as the "making single payer popular" theory is, in reverse.
The MSM is working feverishly on this very storyline. Rachel Maddow has gone silent on Obamacare. Her beta-male acolytes in production are hard at work, rest assured.
31 Oct 13
Originally posted by JS357We know Obama's true goal was Single Payer. He is quoted saying ACA would be "fixed" in 10 to 15 years. Fixed is code for single payer. That much is undeniable.
If they bring forth a theory, it will be the same litmus test for the true believer as the "making single payer popular" theory is, in reverse.
The problem of his strategy is that it requires that the failure of ACA has to be blamed on Republicans, or insurance companies, or the vestige of the free market that is left.
As things have happened, the whole thing falls on the Administration, either as intentional, or as incompetence.
31 Oct 13
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Originally posted by normbenignI could be wrong, but I think they have finally miscalculated on this one. The whole blame game gets old, especially when you are the ones making the rules.
We know Obama's true goal was Single Payer. He is quoted saying ACA would be "fixed" in 10 to 15 years. Fixed is code for single payer. That much is undeniable.
The problem of his strategy is that it requires that the failure of ACA has to be blamed on Republicans, or insurance companies, or the vestige of the free market that is left.
As thin ...[text shortened]... appened, the whole thing falls on the Administration, either as intentional, or as incompetence.
People know what progressives are doing now before they do it. They are as predictable now as the sun coming up in the morning.
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31 Oct 13
Originally posted by normbenignThe idea that orchestrating the ACA web site failure is part of an intentional plan to get to single payer, without strong evidence, is so far around the bend that it brands its proponents as loonies. It loses credibility for the opponents of the ACA wherever it is raised (without strong evidence).
We know Obama's true goal was Single Payer. He is quoted saying ACA would be "fixed" in 10 to 15 years. Fixed is code for single payer. That much is undeniable.
The problem of his strategy is that it requires that the failure of ACA has to be blamed on Republicans, or insurance companies, or the vestige of the free market that is left.
As thin ...[text shortened]... appened, the whole thing falls on the Administration, either as intentional, or as incompetence.
I note that you are somewhat dubious about the idea.
31 Oct 13
Originally posted by JS357You are right. I don't think the website glitches (total failure) are intentional. That derails the notion that when ACA fails, they can blame Republican, insurance companies, or the free market. They own this, and to think that they probably could have made a deal with Boehner to delay the rollout by six or eight weeks, and then spread the blame to Republicans, or had it fixed.
The idea that orchestrating the ACA web site failure is part of an intentional plan to get to single payer, without strong evidence, is so far around the bend that it brands its proponents as loonies. It loses credibility for the opponents of the ACA wherever it is raised (without strong evidence).
I note that you are somewhat dubious about the idea.
In any case, it is extreme incompetence, if not intentional.
I recently saw the same thing in Michigan where the State Unemployment agency rolled out a new website, which worked, but failed to blend well with the old system. The old system was replete with acronyms that no longer apply, and the questions asked on certification questions presume simple answers and give no space for comments. This is typical of government types who see everyone as the same little cogs and gears.
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Originally posted by normbenignMy wife has a company (very small) that helps companies install, test and validate the proper operation of software. Many of the features of the ACA website are present in these systems. Independently of her company I have audited the validation of such systems. At least some of the contractors on the ACA website development said in written reports that there was inadequate time for full testing. There were at least two negative factors -- delays in the overall project due to doubts about the ACA staying intact, and the expectation that more states would develop their own ACA websites. One problem that resulted was lack of integrated end to end validation of the interfaces between subsystems, some that pulled data from IRS files, some from Social Security records, etc etc. There was also a last minute government requirement that users register before browsing insurance options, overloading the registration systems.
You are right. I don't think the website glitches (total failure) are intentional. That derails the notion that when ACA fails, they can blame Republican, insurance companies, or the free market. They own this, and to think that they probably could have made a deal with Boehner to delay the rollout by six or eight weeks, and then spread the blame to Re ...[text shortened]... mments. This is typical of government types who see everyone as the same little cogs and gears.
The questions would be different if there was a consensus that approved of the ACA. Then the attitude would be that we're all in this together. As it is, the divisions result in the blame game getting more attention than finding solutions to the problems.
Originally posted by normbenignMost new major websites or online services have issues upon launch. In the video game industry it is very common for new video games to have major issues if there is some online requirement for the game.
You are right. I don't think the website glitches (total failure) are intentional. That derails the notion that when ACA fails, they can blame Republican, insurance companies, or the free market. They own this, and to think that they probably could have made a deal with Boehner to delay the rollout by six or eight weeks, and then spread the blame to Re ...[text shortened]... mments. This is typical of government types who see everyone as the same little cogs and gears.